Re: [Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL

2005-10-09 Thread Laura Creighton
In a message of Sat, 08 Oct 2005 23:21:22 EDT, Arthur writes: -Original Message- From: Laura Creighton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Arthur Cc: 'Laura Creighton'; 'Radenski, Atanas'; 'Chuck Allison'; edu- I think that only people who thrive on playing with their mathematical

Re: [Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL

2005-10-09 Thread Arthur
-Original Message- From: Laura Creighton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This isn't a problem for men to solve as men. It is a problem for educators to solve, as educators. Well - let me be the reactionary, again. With some reference back to David's point about social engineering

Re: [Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL

2005-10-09 Thread Arthur
-Original Message- From: Arthur [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 10:40 AM To: 'Laura Creighton'; 'Arthur' Well - let me be the reactionary, again. Only because this subject is *so* significant to me, and I understand that I am subverting that seriousness

Re: [Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL

2005-10-09 Thread Kirby Urner
But will settle for a moratorium. A good, long moratorium. Art Just trying to get clear what there's a moratorium on. Educators doing something to right an imbalance of some kind? Sounds like we might want to be doing that, not slamming a door shut on. And your objection is something

Re: [Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL

2005-10-09 Thread Arthur
-Original Message- From: Kirby Urner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 11:38 AM To: 'Arthur'; 'Laura Creighton' But will settle for a moratorium. A good, long moratorium. Art Just trying to get clear what there's a moratorium on. Educators

Re: [Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL

2005-10-09 Thread Kirby Urner
This is part of the chemistry story. it attracts women who say the only important reason for them to become chemists is that 'there were a lot of women in it'. Which is rather hard on those of us who would like to spread the succcess elsewhere. It means that if we could get even moderately

Re: [Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL

2005-10-09 Thread Arthur
-Original Message- From: Kirby Urner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 11:55 AM To: 'Arthur'; 'Laura Creighton' Cc: edu-sig@python.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL As a boy, I'm looking at a different rebalancing act: CS

Re: [Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL

2005-10-09 Thread Kirby Urner
I would appreciate it if you resisted. I *am* resisting. It sounds to me like you want to block important processing among expert educators by raising irrelevant specters, or rather, relevant specters in an irrelevant fashion. It is you who bring in Marxism as a key word, without context,

Re: [Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL

2005-10-09 Thread Kirby Urner
I have no place for GPS in my program. Art That's perfectly fine, and so we compete, counter-recruit. You fill your school, I'll fill mine, and like that. GPS is important when driving a [Google?] bizmo to a point of interest. We train faculty in that skill, starting at a young age.

Re: [Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL

2005-10-09 Thread Arthur
-Original Message- From: Kirby Urner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 1:21 PM To: 'Arthur'; 'Laura Creighton' Cc: edu-sig@python.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL knowing what time it is in Tokyo, when it's midnight in New York

Re: [Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL

2005-10-09 Thread Kirby Urner
Heh - I should to leave something on the table for my great granddaughter to get to work on. Art This work is too primal to just leave undone for another 100 years. What were we proposing to do in the meantime, just sit back and make money, watch people starve? They'd never forgive us,

Re: [Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL

2005-10-09 Thread Arthur
-Original Message- From: Kirby Urner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 1:49 PM This work is too primal to just leave undone for another 100 years. What were we proposing to do in the meantime, just sit back and make money, watch people starve? They'd

Re: [Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL

2005-10-09 Thread Kirby Urner
The beautiful things that we are actually more than equipped to do now, as I have said, and as you pass over. Art We're equipped to rescue people from disaster now. There's nothing beautiful in not doing that. I'm not interested in your curriculum at this point. Nuff said. Kirby

Re: [Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL

2005-10-09 Thread Kirby Urner
My answer to your moral activist concerns, which I like to think I share in my way, is mindfulness. Mindfulness depends on an appreciation of the evolution of things. I can't help but translate this into some Buddhist namespace -- several are familiar to me. The Empires of Time

Re: [Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL

2005-10-09 Thread Arthur
-Original Message- From: Kirby Urner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 1:10 PM To: 'Arthur'; 'Laura Creighton' It is you who bring in Marxism as a key word, without context, and expect that to mean something to others. You presume a shared namespace. I

Re: [Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL

2005-10-09 Thread Kirby Urner
Just some intellectual honesty. Art Yes, and all highly ethnographic and not necessarily relevant history to others on this list, either. And me? I grew up in Rome, with the Communist Party just another decal, with candidates, rhetoric and so on, along with whatever exotic

Re: [Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL

2005-10-09 Thread Arthur
-Original Message- From: Kirby Urner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 2:31 PM To: 'Arthur'; 'Laura Creighton' In Fuller's (RBF's) lexicon, some of which I've adopted, per Synergetics Dictionary (EJA), we speak of the East India Company Yeah those folks

Re: [Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL

2005-10-09 Thread Arthur
-Original Message- From: Kirby Urner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 3:36 PM To: 'Arthur'; 'Laura Creighton' Cc: edu-sig@python.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL Just some intellectual honesty. Art Yes, and all

Re: [Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL

2005-10-09 Thread Kirby Urner
I toss it off to the fact that I have not made enough of an effort to study the man's thought to be in a position to say much, and my definite impressions - though there - are not been worthy of mention. Take a clue. Art But I'm a walking prickly pear of clues, so if you'd wanted to

Re: [Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL

2005-10-09 Thread Arthur
-Original Message- From: Kirby Urner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 4:09 PM To: 'Arthur'; 'Laura Creighton' In Fuller's (RBF's) lexicon, some of which I've adopted, per Synergetics Dictionary (EJA), we speak of the East India Company Yeah those

Re: [Edu-sig] Basic dictionary question

2005-10-09 Thread Scott David Daniels
Kirby Urner wrote: Talk about fishing for expert help! Thanks Guido. It's a pruning algorithm where I strip way pieces that don't meet up at (x,y,z) bridge points. Lots of symmetry about the origin so just pure distance won't work (not unique enough). I think might still get away

Re: [Edu-sig] Basic dictionary question

2005-10-09 Thread Kirby Urner
Beware: 1.999 and 2.0001 likely won't lie in the same bin. You'll need to check neighbors for candidates, unless your fixed point stuff reflects an underlying granularity. -- Scott David Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks for the heads up Scott. I'm translating a

Re: [Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL

2005-10-09 Thread Arthur
-Original Message- From: Kirby Urner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Speaking of ISEPP, I've got a boat meeting set up with the Wanderers CEO, Don Wardwell (wwwanderers.org). Maybe you should invite Dave and Lloyd to the Wanderers homepage as well: Science would be ruined if it