Re: [Edu-sig] Any suggestions about turlte.py

2006-02-28 Thread Vern Ceder
Atanas, Thanks for the input - I wasn't aware of the first problem you mention. I'm not sure about the secnond issue - do you mean that a turtle program that is *running* will hang if covered by other graphics? Or that a window with an already completed drawing/program will become

Re: [Edu-sig] Edu-sig Digest, Vol 31, Issue 16

2006-02-28 Thread Toby Donaldson
So I think the following would be handy: 1. equally usable with either import * from turtle or import turtle imports 2. should open with a window covering at least half the screen (the current default is too small to be useful) 3. should offer some simple configuration choices for things

Re: [Edu-sig] Edu-sig Digest, Vol 31, Issue 16

2006-02-28 Thread Toby Donaldson
As I pointed out in my message, the reason we use turtle graphics is to introduce the idea of functional decomposition and bottom-up development. I have little interest in graphics, personally. It worked very well for our students, and the fact that turtle graphics is a toy is important: there's

Re: [Edu-sig] Any suggestions about turlte.py

2006-02-28 Thread Radenski, Atanas
Vern, My apologies for being unclear. In Windows, turtle commands in interactive mode have been most problematic, meaning that Tk becomes irresponsive. In Windows XP, this can be simulated very easily. 0. Launch IDLE and run a Python shell. 1. Launch IE Explorer and make sure it covers the

Re: [Edu-sig] Edu-sig Digest, Vol 31, Issue 16

2006-02-28 Thread Radenski, Atanas
My experience with turtle graphics in a CS1 course has been very rewarding. It allows *everyone*, not just the most motivated, to be creative. With turtle, drawing an original and intersting design is so easy. In a couple of dozens of lines, my CS1 students create some amazing designs

Re: [Edu-sig] Edu-sig Digest, Vol 31, Issue 16

2006-02-28 Thread Scott David Daniels
Toby Donaldson wrote: I used the Python turtle.py package last semester with about 500 first-year university students, and two problems stood out above all others: 1. The broken interaction between Idle and the turtle package. On windows, I have an icon linked to:

Re: [Edu-sig] suggetions abaout turtle.py

2006-02-28 Thread Gregor Lingl
Vern Ceder schrieb: Hello everyone, As a consequence of my complaining about it in my PyCon talk, I have been invited to submit some patches for turtle.py. To my mind, turtle.py should be something that one could actually use for some very simple programming with graphics lessons, with NO

Re: [Edu-sig] Edu-sig Digest, Vol 32, Issue 2

2006-02-28 Thread Toby Donaldson
1. The broken interaction between Idle and the turtle package. On windows, I have an icon linked to: C:\Python24\Lib\idlelib\idle.pyw -n Does this expedient not work for you? The -n means to use a single-process model (more fragile, but the interaction of two GUI loops is not

Re: [Edu-sig] Edu-sig Digest, Vol 32, Issue 2

2006-02-28 Thread Toby Donaldson
I want to get an improved, backward compatible patch into the standard package fairly soon, so over the next few days I will see if I can't come up with something that covers most of the ideas suggested here, including Gregor's libraries to some extent. I will of course post it for

Re: [Edu-sig] suggetions abaout turtle.py

2006-02-28 Thread Gregor Lingl
Hi all, Apparently XturtlePkg.ZIP is to large(or wrong format) to be sent over the Edu-SIG list, so if you want to try it out, you are bound to use the mentioned link http://ada.rg16.asn-wien.ac.at/~python/Xturtle/ to download it. Regards, Gregor Gregor Lingl schrieb: Vern Ceder schrieb: