A long time ago, Kirby suggested to me (on this list I believe - I
can't trace the post right now) that perhaps I should use rur-ple's
code itself as an example to use. I replied that it was most likely
too complicated but I kept his idea at the back of my mind.
After seeing his post on the
On 3/3/06, kirby urner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Not really -- just cuz I don't want to explain the difference and
> old-style is even simpler syntax. My expectation, maybe wrong, is by
> the time these kids are old enough to use Python "on the job", the
> old-style syntax will automatically cr
Not really -- just cuz I don't want to explain the difference and
old-style is even simpler syntax. My expectation, maybe wrong, is by
the time these kids are old enough to use Python "on the job", the
old-style syntax will automatically create a new style class (as the
old style will have gone aw
> Dethe Elza wrote:
> > Back to the subject of improved turtles, I think there could be a
> > two-pronged approach. The first prong would be to provide incremental
> > improvements to the existing turtle.py (and possibly IDLE) within the
> > standard distribution...
> Along this prong, how abo
On 3/3/06, kirby urner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So with my 8th graders this week, we were back to writing a class.
> Here's the eventual definition:
>
> class Monkey:
>
[snip] Very nice example deleted...
Kirby: any reason why you use "old style" classes?
André
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So with my 8th graders this week, we were back to writing a class.
Here's the eventual definition:
class Monkey:
def __init__(self, name):
self.name = name
self.stomach = []
def eat(self, food):
self.stomach.append(food)
print "Yum, thanks for the %s" % f
On 3/3/06, Gregor Lingl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip]
> There are really many interesting questions to discuss and that is not
> possible in a fruitful athmosphere on a list where two people who do
> more than 50% of the overall postings (in terms of number not to speak
> of volume, as it was
> >-Original Message-
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> >Behalf Of Dethe Elza
> >Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 5:45 PM
> >To: Gregor Lingl
> >Cc: Arthur; edu-sig@python.org
> >Subject: Re: [Edu-sig] IDLE wish (was Edu-sig Digest, Vol
> >31, Issue 16)
> >
> >I thi
> The turtle.py module is minimal, and isn't going to be taken out of the
> standard
> distribution just because Arthur or Kirby don't like it.
I never ever said I "don't like" turtle.py nor did I suggest deleting
it from the Standard Library. Not once.
I discussed it's being broken on Windows
In a message of Fri, 03 Mar 2006 17:58:20 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>I have stated that I thought that the current module, as it is, was an a
>ppropriate proof
>of concept. It would never occur to me that Guido would not put the modul
>e he thought
>most appropriate in his distribution. He ha
Dethe Elza wrote:
> Back to the subject of improved turtles, I think there could be a
> two-pronged approach. The first prong would be to provide incremental
> improvements to the existing turtle.py (and possibly IDLE) within the
> standard distribution...
Along this prong, how about a list of
- Original Message -
From: Gregor Lingl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, March 3, 2006 5:23 pm
Subject: Re: [Edu-sig] IDLE wish (was Edu-sig Digest, Vol 31, Issue 16)
> Arthur schrieb:
>
> Some of them feel, that the module is not adequate for their needs and
> they propose to enhanc
I think it would be a real shame if this discussion moved off-list,
and a failure of the lists purpose. Turtle graphics have been a
mainstay of computers in education for years and have proved their
worth in that regard. The turtle.py module is minimal, and isn't
going to be taken out of the stan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Vern Ceder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>>I was asked submit the enhacements by Raymond Hettinger. I
>>foolishly
>>thought it might be good to ask for input on the nature of the
>>improvements before doing so. If you want to have a
Arthur schrieb:
>
>
>
>>>-Original Message-
>>>From: Arthur [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>...
> One argument against an "official" turtle.py module, is that it will be the
> Phone Company's Turtle, and the forces of agility and merit will be lost.
> To me it is better if folks wanting a
- Original Message -
From: Vern Ceder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> I was asked submit the enhacements by Raymond Hettinger. I
> foolishly
> thought it might be good to ask for input on the nature of the
> improvements before doing so. If you want to have an argument
> about
> whethe turt
> What is the importance of having your improved module part of the standard
distribution?
The current turtle.py module it is already in the standard distribution. Why
should not an *improved* version remain in the standard distribution?
Quite a few instructors already rely on turtle.py being i
- Original Message -
From: Vern Ceder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Why, yes, I am actually... didn't you get the memo on that?
>
The memo I apparently didn't get is the one change the PEP rules. Heretofore
they have been understood to be necessary to open community discussion about a
chang
Arthur wrote:
> Starting with:
>
> What is the importance of having your improved module part of the standard
> distribution?
Teachers in many school situations don't even have control of what
software is on the machines their students use. They need to request an
installation from tech suppo
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Vern Ceder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >However if our discussion of the module bothers you that
> >much, I'm happy to move it to off of this list.
How about responding to some of my substantive points.
Or are you saying you don't perceive any?
Starti
Art,
You've made your feelings about turtle.py abundantly clear. I would only
suggest that (contrary to your implications) we benighted individuals
who actually use the module in teaching and want improve it are also
passionate, moral and even (perhaps) intelligent. Or at least we deserve
the
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Arthur [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Well I have found the IDLE-Dev list to be a bit of a sink hole.
> >
For those who don't follow it, the most recent post to the IDLE-dev list
was, to me, interesting.
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/idle-dev/2006-Feb
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