Re: [Edu-sig] The end is near :)

2006-04-10 Thread Andre Roberge
On 4/10/06, Scott David Daniels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] > > > > Are comments by me, here going to influence outcomes. > > > > Probably not. Worth a shot? What's to lose. > > The attention and discussion that used to go on on this list > about Python and educati

Re: [Edu-sig] The end is near :)

2006-04-10 Thread Scott David Daniels
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > From: kirby urner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Alice is not big on my radar. > > Glad to hear it. > >> It's not even a Python project. > It is brought up here and now specifically in the context of it having been > noted > at U of Mich as competition to and with a Pyt

Re: [Edu-sig] The end is near :)

2006-04-10 Thread kirby urner
> I look to to me less ungenerous than you look to me. > > Must be just the point of view. > > Art Anyway, PyGeo is online, free, downloadable, and kids grooving on it (might be several) will have the power themselves to figure the redistro angle, via apt-get or whatever. It's what they know. Yo

Re: [Edu-sig] The end is near :)

2006-04-10 Thread ajsiegel
- Original Message - From: kirby urner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Monday, April 10, 2006 4:44 pm Subject: Re: [Edu-sig] The end is near :) > > Are comments by me, here going to influence outcomes. > > > > Probably not. Worth a shot? What's to lose. > > > > Let some people go with Alice

Re: [Edu-sig] The end is near :)

2006-04-10 Thread kirby urner
> Are comments by me, here going to influence outcomes. > > Probably not. Worth a shot? What's to lose. > Let some people go with Alice if they like. There's no way to compete with an unknown. I'm not against entering Alice in the ring, any time Alice likes. > What claims should I make for it?

Re: [Edu-sig] The end is near :)

2006-04-10 Thread ajsiegel
- Original Message - From: kirby urner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Monday, April 10, 2006 3:07 pm Subject: Re: [Edu-sig] The end is near :) > > So you argree that Alice is overreaching and out-of-line with a > statement like > > > > Alice is not big on my radar. Glad to hear it. > I

Re: [Edu-sig] The end is near :)

2006-04-10 Thread kirby urner
> So you argree that Alice is overreaching and out-of-line with a statement like > Alice is not big on my radar. It's not even a Python project. When it comes to protecting the integrity of CS from watering down, I look to people stronger than you to fight the dumbing down influences. I think y

Re: [Edu-sig] The end is near :)

2006-04-10 Thread ajsiegel
- Original Message - From: kirby urner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Monday, April 10, 2006 11:56 am Subject: Re: [Edu-sig] The end is near :) > > > > CS and hard science and Alice being mentioned as an alternative. > > > > Willamette University is offering an art major centered around > co

Re: [Edu-sig] The end is near :)

2006-04-10 Thread kirby urner
> > CS and hard science and Alice being mentioned as an alternative. > Willamette University is offering an art major centered around computers. For a lot of kids, the big question is: how do I get a job making Shrek type movies or with Industrial Light and Magic. They hear (correctly) that it

Re: [Edu-sig] The end is near :)

2006-04-10 Thread Arthur
kirby urner wrote: >For example, I don't buy that it's an either/or situation. You seem >to think a Klein-reading Euclid-drawing subgenius, properly suspicious >of Bucky (maybe armed with a few Bucky jokes) can't suddenly jump up >and run over to an Alice workstation, there to play with cute skii

Re: [Edu-sig] The end is near :)

2006-04-10 Thread kirby urner
For example, I don't buy that it's an either/or situation. You seem to think a Klein-reading Euclid-drawing subgenius, properly suspicious of Bucky (maybe armed with a few Bucky jokes) can't suddenly jump up and run over to an Alice workstation, there to play with cute skiing bunnies and other pro