Re: [Edu-sig] The fate of raw-input() in Python 3000

2006-09-12 Thread Peter Chase
Hugh Stewart wrote: snip Python gives us a programming language of extraordinary productivity at all levels of programming (especially for beginners). Exactly. Peter Chase Alpine, TX ___ Edu-sig mailing list Edu-sig@python.org

Re: [Edu-sig] The fate of raw-input() in Python 3000

2006-09-12 Thread kirby urner
On 9/10/06, Hugh Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To cut to the chase: raw_input() provides an extremely useful I/O function for simple exercise type problems which are so essential in building a beginners repertoire of programming techniques and for 'John Zeller' type problems ( simple quick

[Edu-sig] The fate of raw-input() in Python 3000

2006-09-12 Thread Daniel Ajoy
On 12 Sep 2006 at 12:00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To cut to the chase: raw_input() provides an extremely useful I/O function for simple exercise type problems which are so essential in building a beginners repertoire of programming techniques and for 'John Zeller' type problems ( simple quick

Re: [Edu-sig] The fate of raw_input() in Python 3000

2006-09-12 Thread kirby urner
On 9/8/06, Joshua Zucker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/8/06, kirby urner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the model today is a person writing code for him or herself i.e. self as client -- at least in an early context. We're not guiding the unknowing through a menu tree. We're computer

Re: [Edu-sig] The fate of raw_input() in Python 3000

2006-09-12 Thread kirby urner
On 9/12/06, kirby urner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Top-to-bottom executable scripting, with maybe forks in the road, as in: dumb_user_says = raw_input(yes or no?: ) and likely no going back if you answer it wrong: confirm = raw_input(are you sure??) ... is a style we don't really

Re: [Edu-sig] Compatibility and legacy in language evolution

2006-09-12 Thread kirby urner
On 9/9/06, kirby urner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But that's just [our] stars in the sky style over in Buckyville. We have these weird slogans, like YOU be the glue. Brad says our private sky is NOT THE WORLD in his posts. He sounds like a philosopher. Some other castle somewhere, where

Re: [Edu-sig] Compatibility and legacy in language evolution

2006-09-12 Thread Joshua Zucker
On 9/12/06, Jan Claeys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Op za, 09-09-2006 te 17:53 -0700, schreef Radenski, Atanas: Strictly speaking this is true, but Mr. Stroustrups own papers also explain how important the full C/C++ compatibility is - and that achieving it is his ideal Well, strictly

Re: [Edu-sig] Compatibility and legacy in language evolution

2006-09-12 Thread kirby urner
On 9/12/06, Joshua Zucker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the point is that a C programmer can start writing C++ programs without having to change anything -- legal C programs will still run just fine in C++. Then the C programmer can gradually learn whatever parts of the extensions of C++

Re: [Edu-sig] Compatibility and legacy in language evolution

2006-09-12 Thread Radenski, Atanas
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jan Claeys Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 2:37 PM To: edu-sig@python.org Subject: Re: [Edu-sig] Compatibility and legacy in language evolution Op za, 09-09-2006 te 17:53 -0700, schreef Radenski,

Re: [Edu-sig] The fate of raw_input() in Python 3000

2006-09-12 Thread Andre Roberge
Hi all, I was going to do like John Zelle, and stop contributing to this point, but I have a lot less discipline than he does. A while ago, out of curiosity I bought Python programming for the absolute beginner by Michael Dawson to see his approach as it is considered an extremely

Re: [Edu-sig] The fate of raw_input() in Python 3000

2006-09-12 Thread kirby urner
On 9/12/06, Andre Roberge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yet, I think it is a mistake to remove it (as I have stated before). To those that disagree, I would ask: how do you propose in concrete terms (not pie-in-the-sky) to replace Zelle`s book, Dawson's book and How to think like a computer