Re: [Edu-sig] As We May Think: What will we automate?

2009-03-23 Thread kirby urner
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP We need a language-independent way of teaching programming concepts. I have an idea for one based on Turtle Art, which represents programs as trees, not texts. Most programming languages have to transform texts

Re: [Edu-sig] As We May Think: What will we automate?

2009-03-23 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 10:40 PM, kirby urner kirby.ur...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP We need a language-independent way of teaching programming concepts. I have an idea for one based on Turtle Art, which represents

Re: [Edu-sig] As We May Think: What will we automate?

2009-03-23 Thread kirby urner
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 12:42 AM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP = Edward = Kirby = Edward = Kirby There are several programming languages popular among non-professional programmers. These languages get no respect in the professional community, and neither do their

Re: [Edu-sig] As We May Think: What will we automate?

2009-03-23 Thread kirby urner
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 5:33 AM, Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.de wrote: On 23.03.2009, at 10:38, kirby urner wrote: Not really directed at Turtle Art proposal no. I think [...] that there's a backlash against lexical coding as that means typing Not at all, in my opinion. It's not

Re: [Edu-sig] As We May Think: What will we automate?

2009-03-23 Thread Scott David Daniels
Bert Freudenberg wrote: On 23.03.2009, at 10:38, kirby urner wrote: I think [...] that there's a backlash against lexical coding as that means typing Not at all, in my opinion. It's not against having to type, it's about covering distance one step at a time. I like to compare the issue to

Re: [Edu-sig] As We May Think: What will we automate?

2009-03-23 Thread kirby urner
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Scott David Daniels scott.dani...@acm.org wrote: SNIP This issue is why I am so not in love with fancy aids in generating code; I want to read what the original programmer wrote, not the pile of garble that got blasted out when he pushed some buttons and