Hello,
I'm Yoshiki Ohshima, working with Alan for a few years. I happened
to be the only person who enjoyed the full show of Alan's keynote *in
person*, so I guess I can clarify a few questions^^;
Guido wrote:
Well, for a start I'd like to see what Alan Kay used in his keynote.
I'm
Yoshiki Ohshima wrote:
In regards to the is the web good? discussion. Sure, the web is
good, but it could have been much better. For an historical account,
the idea of objects that talk to each other bi-directionally over the
network weren't new by the time HTTP was created. In fact, when
Ian,
Of course, as these things go it's still relatively crude, and currently
hooking things together means lots of crufty-looking scripts. But then,
I think the natural way to hook things together on the web is
declarative anyway, and maybe the natural way to think about HTTP is as
On 17/07/06, Arthur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
francois schnell wrote: Einstein said that it's~hard to understand what you never experienced and I believe that's why he also said thatimagination is more important that knowledge (ridding a photon to ~experience
relativity, etc...).Francois,I have
On 17/07/06, kirby urner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
To my knowledge Alan Kay never wrote a 'Book'... I'm then somewhat puzzled by your omniscience and omnipotence ;)In any case, I see no reason to reach some broad consensus regardingAlan's legacy.We're each likely to pursue our dreams in any case.
Sounds interesting. Could you also put that on Google Video, YouTube or
whatever ?
There's my boring preview of the content of gnu math @ the London
Knowledge Lab, accessible via the summit wiki page:
http://wiki.tsf.org.za/shuttleworthfoundationwiki/Project_Summit
but in my next phase, I'll
On Monday 17 July 2006 18:39, kirby urner wrote:
To expect unification to come magically just from the consumer
applicance (e.g. Intel's viiv) is to ignore the cultural divides
separating those with computer skills and those with television
skills.
Out of curiosity, what do you mean by this?
On 17/07/06, kirby urner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sounds interesting. Could you also put that on Google Video, YouTube or whatever ?There's my boring preview of the content of gnu math @ the LondonKnowledge Lab, accessible via the summit wiki page:
On 16/07/06, kirby urner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 7/16/06, francois schnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: francois (going back to more 'piratical' pythonic lists)Arrgh.
http://mybizmo.blogspot.com/2005/09/talk-like-pirate-day.htmlArrgh damn Google mail spell check, that meant to be
On 16/07/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But in the end I think we need to converge - if we are to converge -
around a respect for science and its methods.Wow shocking/... what makes you think that Alan Kay doesn't respect science and its methods ?
What I consider to be the
francois schnell wrote:
Einstein said that it's ~hard to understand what you never
experienced and I believe that's why he also said that imagination
is more important that knowledge (ridding a photon to ~experience
relativity, etc ...).
Francois,
I have read the Book of Kay. If it
I have no idea what a C16 is and don't care to ever know. Amiga was
fun. Helped produce video for cable TV on that one.
WWW (aka W3) is cool. Not sure what this thread is about any more.
Kirby
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On 7/13/06, Andreas Raab [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Guido van Rossum wrote:
There we go again. You are surrounded by geeks so obviously you don't
realize this any more, but do you have *any* idea how privileged you
were to have a computer in the early 80s?
In what way is this relevant for
On Thu Jul 13 16:38:37 CEST 2006, Guido van Rossum wrote:
Well, for a start I'd like to see what Alan Kay used in his keynote.
I'm guessing that's Logowiki.
He was just using the Squeak environment provided by the Squeakland
plugin, wasn't he? There was probably a mixture of custom content and
On 7/11/06, Paul D. Fernhout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And of course, the site was also inaccessible when I first learned about
it (from Kirby's post to this list I think) from too much demand most
likely, so it also failed the cost test. Presumably, they just could not
afford to put enough
Paul D. Fernhout wrote:
I don't mean to complain specifically about these pages, just to point out
that while the supposed intent here is to make programming available to
the masses by using a dumbed down environment like a web browser, in
practice, this fails for me. Whereas, when I
On 7/12/06, Andreas Raab [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Remember
that we lost the ability to author with the introduction of the world
wide web and we're only about to get it back.
I've heard this before and with respect I think it's a load of crap.
The WWW did not cause anyone to lose anything.
Andreas-
Welcome onboard Edusig. I guess your appearance here signals a real
interest in the core Squeak team in Python? (For those of you who do not
know Andreas, he did the original Squeak port to Windows, plus many other
neat Squeakish things, especially 3D ones.)
Thanks for your
On 7/12/06, Guido van Rossum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have no argument with the rest of your message but I want to stop
the rhetoric claiming that the WWW is somehow bad for us.
--
--Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)
Yeah, what Guido said.
Kirby
On 7/12/06, Andreas Raab [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[A secondary motivation for Logowiki is as an experiment in zero
install deployment and to be able to see what can be done with Ajax and
friends and a bit of compiler translation technology which is not so
different from PyPy btw - parts of it
Guido van Rossum wrote:
I have no argument with the rest of your message but I want to stop
the rhetoric claiming that the WWW is somehow bad for us.
Heck, no. I didn't mean to say that the web is bad for you (as in TV
is bad for you). Limited, yes, and that is the point. Even on my very
On 7/12/06, Andreas Raab [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Guido van Rossum wrote:
I have no argument with the rest of your message but I want to stop
the rhetoric claiming that the WWW is somehow bad for us.
Heck, no. I didn't mean to say that the web is bad for you (as in TV
is bad for you).
On 7/12/06, Andreas Raab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: The sequence again is roughly: pilot avatars and sims with programs (Logo), immerse yourself in communicative fanstasy environments (Squeak), surface a more adult mindset and start tackling real world problems with more focus (Python). It's kinda
On 7/12/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Assuming that is accepted, shouldn't the Python community interested in the
subject of education be concentrating on creating the applications geared
toward the adult mindset?
This is just about one curriculum in particular though,
On 7/12/06, Andreas Raab [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
To get back to the Logowiki starting point, the main idea of Logowiki is
to give people an example for what it *could* mean to include this kind
of dynamic content in browser. The way I understand it, Crunchy Frog
seems to be aimed very
From: Andre Roberge<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> When I look at Logowiki, I think "this is fantastic..." ... and then get the impression that its purpose is just to amaze me snip
Don't knowhow much was intended, but this touching on
a lot to me.
It is too easy to amaze, too hard to resist doing so.
I
On 7/12/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would want educational software for children, in particular, to go out
of its way to not amaze, not rely on the ability to create magic as
its point of engagement. *Not* be immersive.
I don't understand this. Childhood is a time to
From: kirby urner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> You seem to indulge a more-than-healthy amount of nostalgia for the way it was when you were a kid. You're now ready to go to bat for kids who want it the way you had it
Perhaps, though I think not.
But, I remain willing to be wrong here. Just that there is
From: Ian Bicking [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Edu-sig] Alan Kay - another one of his ideas
Using Logo Wiki as a way to encourage people to download a plugin would
be a mistake IMHO. Putting all your code into a little dead box
embedded on a web page is pretty lame, and it shows
kirby urner schrieb:
On 7/12/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But, I remain willing to be wrong here. Just that there is an inevitability
about other peoples' sense of where we are *necessarily* going that I don't
share,
and to the extent we *necessarily* get there I
On di, 2006-07-11 at 23:31 -0700, kirby urner wrote:
But you're right, it's not platform neutral enough to run on my
Edubuntu box in the basement.
Your reports of difficulties sent me down there.
Nor is upgrading the the next FireFox all that mindlessly easy (I
struggled and lost).
The
From: Ian Bicking [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(There's even a
Logo/Java plugin: http://turtletracks.sourceforge.net/)
Not one, but many. Here is an unusual one (similar in concept
to GvR?):
http://tinyurl.com/p5xwr
http://school.eb.com/lm/manipulatives/enu/workspaces/
ladybug_maze/workspace.html
Not one, but many. Here is an unusual one (similar in concept
to GvR?):
http://tinyurl.com/p5xwr
It seems to be part of this:
http://standards.nctm.org/document/eexamples/chap4/4.3/index.htm
Daniel
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Hi everyone,
let's go on pragmatically ;-)
Recently Daniel Ajoy on LogoForum posted a link to a description of one
of Alan Kay's projects, called logowiki, by himself:
http://www.redhat.com/archives/olpc-software/
http://www.redhat.com/archives/olpc-software/2006-April/msg00035.html
Worth
Paul D. Fernhout wrote:
Gregor Lingl wrote:
The logowiki can be found here:
http://www.logowiki.net
Just as a general comment, running a current Mozilla under Debian
(Unstable), with JavaScript turned on, there are no graphics on those
pages for me when I click Run. Nothing happens.
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