kirby urner
Kirby - question 1. Do you understand why your messages are coming to me as
html? Makes it difficult to reply in normal form.
I like spatial turtles, i.e. turtles that swim in XYZ, not just in
XY. I played with doing that using
kirby urner
Kirby - question 1. Do you understand why your messages are coming to me as
html? Makes it difficult to reply in normal form.
No, didn't realize. Using Google's gmail. How about this one?
When I check the edu-sig archive, my emails look OK. I'll see what I
can do to fix the
And if Python educators feel that the Turtle approach is so effective that
it needs to be part of Python's core, at least make a very overt nod to
where the ideas are coming from. There are many people out of touch with the
history here. It is easy to assume that people can identify Turtle
And if Python educators feel that the Turtle approach is so
effective that
it needs to be part of Python's core, at least make a very overt
nod to
where the ideas are coming from. There are many people out of
touch with the
history here. It is easy to assume that people can
kirby urner wrote:
Why is Logo out of date? Use it for 3 classes (?) to set the stage, get
through with the turtle stuff, then turn to Python or something else. This
idea that we should pick just one language and use it for everything,
regardless, is to be avoided. That's not the real
On 2/28/06, Toby Donaldson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As I pointed out in my message, the reason we use turtle graphics isto introduce the idea of functional decomposition and bottom-updevelopment. I have little interest in graphics, personally.
Not sure what this means exactly, but I'm sure
kirby urner schrieb:
On 2/28/06, *Toby Donaldson* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
As I pointed out in my message, the reason we use turtle graphics is
to introduce the idea of functional decomposition and bottom-up
development. I have little interest in
I suppose, that this is a misunderstanding. In the logo world ofcomputing with beginners, this means to decompose somewhat complex
tastks in tiny peaces and write functions for those, wich thencan be assembled to solve the complex task. This is the ordinarymeaning of bottum-up development.OK, so
On 3/1/06, Gregor Lingl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
There are a few important arguments why not to underestimate the
importance of a good turtle module in the Python distribution
(out of the box as vern ceder says).
1. Many of us are trying to further the use of Python as a first
Have you (/they) considered something like Guido van Robot, or RUR-PLE?
André
I think it would be cool to have a simple 2D turtle library which
scaled up (maybe via PYRO) to 3D simulated robots, then (again via
PYRO) to physical robots. But that won't be part of the standard
library, so it's
On 3/1/06, kirby urner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I suppose, that this is a misunderstanding. In the logo world of
computing with beginners, this means to decompose somewhat complex
tastks in tiny peaces and write functions for those, wich then
can be assembled to solve the complex task.
I want to throw out one idea that worked great for me in my initial
introduction to cs.
In our class our first programs generated simple postscript (ie - turtle
graphics) which we then sent to a printer (well, ghostscript first, to
save a few trees).
By week two we were generating mandlebrot
So I think the following would be handy:
1. equally usable with either import * from turtle or import turtle
imports
2. should open with a window covering at least half the screen (the
current default is too small to be useful)
3. should offer some simple configuration choices for things
As I pointed out in my message, the reason we use turtle graphics is
to introduce the idea of functional decomposition and bottom-up
development. I have little interest in graphics, personally.
It worked very well for our students, and the fact that turtle
graphics is a toy is important: there's
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Digest, Vol 31, Issue 16
On 2/28/06, Toby Donaldson
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1. The broken interaction between Idle and the turtle package.
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Toby Donaldson wrote:
I used the Python turtle.py package last semester with about 500
first-year university students, and two problems stood out above all
others:
1. The broken interaction between Idle and the turtle package.
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