Re: [Elecraft] KPA-500 270V ERR

2021-08-26 Thread David Gilbert
Well, at the risk of offending Fred ... A PIN diode has an intrinsic (I) region between the P and N junctions.  The I region is almost completely undoped and therefore the carrier lifetimes are long relative to the frequency of the signal being switched.  A PIN diode is turned on with

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-500 270V ERR

2021-08-26 Thread jerry
On 2021-08-26 15:19, David Gilbert wrote: Pedantic? If those were truly PIN diodes like you called them the 270v bias wouldn't have been used there. Actually, I'm finding this interesting. So with real PIN diodes, you don't have to strongly bias them off? The HV is obtained in various

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-500 270V ERR

2021-08-26 Thread David Gilbert
Pedantic?  If those were truly PIN diodes like you called them the 270v bias wouldn't have been used there. Dave   AB7E On 8/26/2021 2:56 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: This morphed into a pedantic discussion of solid state diodes.  Chuck's original question was about the 270 V error.  I'm fairly

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-500 270V ERR

2021-08-26 Thread Fred Jensen
This morphed into a pedantic discussion of solid state diodes.  Chuck's original question was about the 270 V error.  I'm fairly sure the only purpose for the 270 V in a KPA500 is bias for the T-R switch.  He asked for suggestions.  The T-R switch and the source for the 270 V might be a good

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-500 270V ERR

2021-08-26 Thread David Gilbert
High voltage rectifier diodes would have very low doped N-regions, which means fairly long carrier lifetimes so no doubt they work somewhat like a PIN diode if properly biased.  But they aren't really the same thing, and I still say that a PIN diode has performance advantages in many

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-500 270V ERR

2021-08-26 Thread jerry
Using 1N4007's and 1N5208's ( I could have the last # wrong ) as "Poor Man PIN diodes" is pretty established practice in the amateur community. Look up W6JL on QRZ.com. He has an extensive article about it on his page there. Also Hans Summers of qrp-labs uses them in his 50W QSK amplifier.

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-500 270V ERR

2021-08-26 Thread Andy Durbin
My schematic shows TR Switch diode type is S1M. Datasheet easily found on-line. I doubt this has any influence of 270 V failure. Andy, k3wyc __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help:

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-500 270V ERR

2021-08-26 Thread David Gilbert
That sounds odd to me.  True PIN diodes are current actuated devices.  The carrier lifetimes are long enough that the devices are "on" even if the signal peaks exceed the voltage of the control current ... as long, of course, as the control current exceeds the signal current. On the other

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-500 270V ERR

2021-08-26 Thread Fred Jensen
I think the 270 V circuit is DC bias for the PIN diodes in the TR-switch. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 8/26/2021 10:32 AM, Chuck Chandler wrote: My KPA-500 has been running great for several years. Recently I noticed it was making the occasional extra "click" or

[Elecraft] KPA-500 270V ERR

2021-08-26 Thread Andy Durbin
Well if it were mine I'd check the voltage on the nominal 270 V connector on the PA module then work back from there. I keep notes from discussion of other peoples problems and their resolution. You can find all this in the archive but this is what I have in my notes for KPA 270 V problems:

[Elecraft] KPA-500 270V ERR

2021-08-26 Thread Chuck Chandler
My KPA-500 has been running great for several years. Recently I noticed it was making the occasional extra "click" or "thunk" upon powering up or down. Usually it would "click" when powered up and again when powered down, but recently a few seconds after the first click there would be another