Okay...had to give it a try. Just worked him on 40m after about 3
minutes of calling. 2.5 minutes spent calling blind. Then I heard
him call a G3, found the G3 on VFO B (no dual rx) and I was the next
call.
K2/qrp (no KPA here!)
Now for 160? LOL
de Doug KR2Q
Yeah..you and Norman Hsu!
LOL
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Hello sports fans!
Recently, I made an analogy between the cw reader and watching the
Yankees on TV but listening to the announcer(s) via radio.
http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft/2007-September/073714.html
I received so many private replies about I do that too that I
decided to reply
Okay you techie gurus...please teach me
How does the composite TRANSMITTED phase noise impact the RECEIVE BDR specs?
I admit that over the decades I've frequently noted that the ARRL
review cite that the rx spec is phase noise limited but I never
thought that they meant XMIT phase noise.
This post caught my eye.
http://lists.contesting.com/pipermail/tentec/2007-September/076862.html
Here is the link for the monthly archive
http://lists.contesting.com/pipermail/tentec/2007-September/date.html
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Bob:
Good to know that you like the radio. As for the Dragon, doesn't DSP
stand for Dragon Slayer Plus?
I know...hide my head in shame. Cudn't resist.
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I, for one, am looking foward to seeing lots of folks who do not
normally do CW start to show up during the CW contests. 99% of the
code sent during the contest is nearly perfect. so I am hoping that
the decoding will be pretty good...good enough to encourage those
normally too timid to try CW to
Fellow K3 droolers
If Elecraft wishes to have the BEST opportunity for the ARRL to laud
the K3 (assuming that it will indeed cause jaws to drop), they better
get it in soon.
Historically, the BEST reviews (IMHO) are those that are conducted by
one of the FAMOUS contesters DURING THE BIG ONE
I know the list owner has chided against me too comments, but ZV has
it summed up nicely and I fully agree with his comments and findings.
$500 for just 2db?
Analogy:
If you drive a car w/o air conditioning, and the mfgr let you add a
turbo speed fan for extra cooling, does not mean that you NEED
Bob (et al):
I have nothing to do with Elecraft inside operations in any way,
shape, or form, but your request has only ONE answer. If they still
waiting on parts, in terms of p.99, Elecraft has ZERO idea of when
the radios can or will ship. The ONLY time they can forecast
delivery dates for
W4ZV sed:
[snip]
Elecraft promised to post full IMD/BDR
measurements for all filters but has not done so thus far.
[2nd snip]
I commend Elecraft for posting full data in advance but sure
wish they would get on with it so I can finalize my order
[end snip]
I heartily agree
What's
In the Oct 2007 product review section (on line version for Members
Only), the ARRL explains their newest methodology for RX measurements.
While improving methodologies are always welcome, I sure wish they
would also provide info using the old method measurements, so we can
compare apples to
OMG! I died and went to heaven!!
Thanks a lot EricOUTSTANDING!
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On 9/13/07, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Here you go! These are recent measurements from our lab.
Filter20kHz 10kHz 5kHz 2kHz
200 Hz, 5 pole100+ 100+
Nice.
1. Who gets credit for their fingers on page 24?
2. Page 10 sez we need a dummy load...but does not specify a power
leveluntil you hit page 49. You may want to add at least 5 watt
dummy load to page 10.
I'd love to read this all now, but I'm at work and this is not a task
for
Well, this topic has migrated from requests for my kind of keyer to
a comparision of the various types (including words such as relic).
For the life of me, I can't see the practical difference. I
understand the difference, but comparing iambic to utlimatic, I see
essentially the same number of
Eric, Wayne:
While you're in QRX mode (ha ha ha) waiting for parts, boards, etc.
why not do some more measurements.
TOI would be nice (even tho some say: Yawn)
Complete specs on ALL of the optional filters (so we have a better
idea which to buy instead of hanging in limbo). And I'm not talking
One again, it pays to search the archives...
http://marc.info/?l=elecraftm=117774253022323w=2
I would say that since knobs are mentioned as part of the modular
assembly, that the front panel is just the front panel; we do the
attaching, mounting, etc. Just a guess (educated guess?).
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http://marc.info/?l=elecraftm=117782676508526w=2
another post by Wayne
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LOTS of QRP entries last year!
Elecraft K2 mentioned in SOAPBOX by four separate entries. I'm sure
there were more.
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Looks nice. Happy to see PITCH out front instead of only on a menu! Hooray!!
Can anyone tell me how one discerns an output power of (say) 200mw or
1 watt on the RF out display? I presume that at QRP levels, the
scales changes. Yes?
Thanks,
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Eric:
Thanks for the recent update on the proposed shipping schedule.
Please speculate as to the shipping status for Production Run #2.
Will that be delayed as well? If so, please estimate what the range
of shipping dates might be.
Thanks,
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Bruce, et al, esp Eric/Wayne:
I did note the shipping status currently posted, which is flagged as
being last updated on August 16. The Aug 29 update is specific to the
first run.
Since the most recently posted reflector update is well past August
16, I thought that an update for the other runs
Hi all:
I am looking for an inexpensive qrp transceiver kit (monoband if fine)
and I would appreciate some suggestions. I do not want to be
rock-bound.
I'm looking at the Ten Tec 13xx series adn the MFJ Cub (93xxK series).
Both are under $100. The keying waveform on the MFJ (as per ARRL
I note that the ship dates for the DVR and the subRX are listed as Oct
20. That's really cutting it close!
CQWWDX ssb is Oct 27/28 which means (for NA) that they have to arrive
Oct 26 (or sooner). Wonder how many will be requesting FedEx or AIR?
Glad I'm a cw-type (but I'll try play on phone
You guys crack me up. On the one hand, some of us are trying to get
as narrow as possible (200hz) and on the other hand, some of us are
looking for high-fidelity, surround sound, theatre quality.
Gee whiz...this is ham radio (communications). This is not your home
theatre (dolby 5.1 etc).
Dear anxious K3 invoicees
The following is my opinion based on nothing more than my own logic
after reading the words published.
Don't think that the flood gates will open up on Aug 31and that all of
those first run K3's will hit the road.
Read what it says:
[snip]
1st Production Run K3
It always pays to search around the FAQ. Try:
http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3FAQ.htm#SO2R
AND...use the searchable archives:
http://marc.info/?l=elecraft
Just type in SO2R and you'll get more hits than you know what do with.
The short answer is NO. SO2R implies receiving while you are
Tom sed:
[snip]
And Wayne, I KNOW you're listening too... the latest changes you've
made to the K3's firmware have really made the QSK sweet... quiet and
FAST. I now consider it to be as good as that of my TS-930S, which I
always felt had some of the very best QSK ever offered in an HF
rig...
Tim:
I'm no K2 guru, but what you describe is classic of a
poor/intermittent connection somewhere on the way to the antenna.
I've experienced this with many radios, going back many decades. The
dit (transmitting) somehow reestablishes a better connection at the
point of failure.
This might be
Simon:
WARNING: MISCELLANEOUS RAMBLINGS FOLLOW
Anyone who places an order for and PAYS for a not-yet-released product
should understand that s/he is entering the DANGER ZONE. Anything is
possible, especially DELAYS and CHANGES in specs. To place a
prepayment or deposit on a new product and
Hi all:
Well, I would like to see streaming video for the assembly
instructions. As (if) things change, simply add a modify the link for
that portion of the instructions. And no real language issues!
Photos are nice, but hey, kinda fossil-technology.
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WØYK sed:
[snip]
The K3 simply sounds better on all modes, including RTTY. The band noise
is less severe to listen to, and the difference is striking just having the
ProIII in one ear and the K3 in the other with no signals in the passbands.
Yet, the K3 dynamic range accepts a much larger range
I think that many (most?) of us knew that this was coming (and a long
time ago, too).
No Big Deal! Use the B-testers to your (our) fullest advantage. Get
it done right.
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K3FAQ sez:
[snip]
What are the K3's binaural effects?
TBD
[end snip]
Any update on this?
Tnx...
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and is everything we all anticipated
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From: DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Jul 1, 2007 7:38 PM
Subject: K3 countdown
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Just 30 days left before scheduled (targeted) shipment of the K3 begins.
1st Production
I really have to chuckle a bit about matching tones or zero-beating.
When I was first licensed with a novice class ticket (rock-bound), one
learned to
tune the band looking for answers. It was common-place to answer a
CQ by calling the CQer 5, 10, or even 50 kc away5 or 10 kc away
often got
see Accessory Connector
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Help:
Dear Elecrafters:
As we all marvel at what Elecraft can do in a tiny box, some of us are
also stuck in the past.
My first commercial radio was a Heathkit DX20. After I upgraded
around Dec 1966, I sold it in early 1967 so I could buy a radio with
SSB.
About 15 years ago, I ran across a DX at a
Yes, I remember Mr. Cigar out of NYC very well.
In late 1966 (or Jan 1967?) I approached the NYC Federal Bldg with my
mom (I was 14). There was a female guard/receptionist just inside the
entrance. She looked at me, my mom, and said, Here for your FCC
test? and told us the floor - which I
here is the full blow video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMzfgnTted0NR
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A bit vague, but I'll take what I can get.
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This is more granular
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Dave:
Glad I'm not the only one who is thinking this way
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From: DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Jun 17, 2007 7:10 AM
Subject: K3 suggestion for future release (read later)
To: Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft [EMAIL PROTECTED], wayne
Hmmm.
Guess my age is showing. I've never used computer control on my
radio(s) during a contest. My K2 has no KIO, so I am stuck thinking
like a caveman.
You're right. I use a computer to log, so I might as well use it to
control the radio as well.
DUH! LOL
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Hi all:
Help me celebrate!
ARRL DX CW 2007 results are out and my 'lil K2 WON the QRP category for USA/VE.
After log checking:
696 Qso's
244 DXCC
509,472 points
Why am I so thrilled? Because according to the CLAIMED scores, I came
in 2nd. Yup, gotta love log checking! What a TOTAL
On 7/2/07, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You guys sure like to keep the pressure on! ;-)
I hate to sound like the TenTec reflector a year or so back, but..
We'd rather you get it right than get it out the door 'on time.'
At least that is my opinion.
de Doug
A comparison of the kit K2 vs the modular K3 has previously been made:
http://www.ac6rm.net/mailarchive/html/elecraft-list/2007-05/msg00837.html
If you add on the cost of a builder, shipping from the builder back to
you, then you have to REALLY want a K2 to cost-justify getting one
now.
Did
Just 30 days left before scheduled (targeted) shipment of the K3 begins.
1st Production Run K3 shipments are currently targeted to begin the
last week of July. Sold out.
tick tick tick tick
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PS but who's counting? LOL
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So Ken hates the word Ham when used to describe us, well, hams.
ME TOO!
1. As a adjective to RADIO, it adds no meaning except to other hams
2. To the uninitiated, is sounds rather silly (at best)
3. It does not convey the technical nor operating skill levels
required/achieved
4. Zero
HI all:
After helping with set-up at Field Day, I am waiting for my shift (I
start when the mosquitoes comes out).so I have some time to kill.
This topic sounded like the perfect opportunity to try www.googlefight.com
Ham Radio = 1, 240,000 hits
Amateur Radio = 1,300,000 hits
H...so
Dear Field Testers,
Lyle referred me to YOU!
I recently inquired about how the SWR is displayed. The answer is now
part of the FAQ.
This is a really exciting method (nice trick), but I have a
question, perhaps a concern.
If I'm on CW and doing 40 wpm QSK (common for me), is the DISPLAY (S
You won't believe this!
http://www.qrpgloves.com/index.php?cPath=44
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Elecraft guys have the patience of a saint. Just search the archive!
http://www.ac6rm.net/mailarchive/html/elecraft-list/2007-04/msg01300.html
http://www.ac6rm.net/mailarchive/html/elecraft-list/2007-05/msg00828.html
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Dear (probably) Greg:
I note several comments in the FAQ about how the K3 monitors the SWR
for various operating functions, but I do not see anything about the
SWR being displayed for the user.
So...is there some feature that displays the SWR during transmit (like
maybe the passband width
http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_shipping_status.htm
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Al said:
Then we'd disassemble the xtals and soak em in acid for a few minutes
to tweak them up 3 or 5 KC.
I never did that. I used to make a slurry with Comet (the cleanser,
before it went grit free) and, using an index finger on the xtal, make
circles in the slurry to grind the xtal (move
FYI
http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_list_guidelines.htm
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Of course, one of the pioneers was Hazard Reeves (K2GL, SK in 1986).
Buz was a world class engineer and beyond that, is still well known
for the winning-est Multi-Multi Contest Station in history (I
operated there from 1976 to 1986). In fact, the Multi-Multi Category
was invented because of Buz'
http://www.cineramaadventure.com/reeves.htm
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I'm just blown away at the scale of this thing (450 feet tall).
My last post on this
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Here is (was) my take on S meters:
http://www.ac6rm.net/mailarchive/html/elecraft-list/2007-05/msg01072.html
Next. I think that an adjustable sensitivity for the S meter (how
many db/S) is great for my purposes. Frankly, I don't care if the guy
I'm working is S1 or 20 over, just so long as I
What are folks using in terms of an external battery for the K2?
I'm sure there are lots of options, so please include
advantages/disadvantages of each.
I've look at the archive and unless I'm doing something wrong, I don't
get a lot of hits with respect to the k2.
Thanks,
de Doug KR2Q
Hi all:
Was surfing around tonight and checked out the TenTec reflector
archive. I was surprised to see that they had almost as much chatter
about the K3 as we did.
I was even MORE surprised to see a posting by Eric there. Wow...these
E guys really, really, really have done their homework.
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Sorry, but this was raised and answered before. :-(
Doug
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Sorry...wrong link. Try again!
Doug
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Hi all:
I was going to post this privately, but since I've received several
private (direct) comments in addition to the public postings, most
recently by Dave, G3YMC, I'm making it public, using up some
bandwidth, as I think this might benefit others.
1. QSK. This is user skill level
HI all:
Just finished the CQWW WPX cw contest. Weird condx, but lots of fun.
I note lots of comments on the K2 of late (this weekend).here are
my 2 cents (maybe a dime).
After having been plugged in for most of the weekend, here are my
take-aways (none of which are new).
1. I own the
I never took the time to notice if they were soft rubber buttons.
They felt fine to me and I did not come away with the feeling that
they were soft or rubber.
I mean, they don't have a click like the old IBM XT keyboards, but I
never had a sense that I didn't know when the the button was pushed
Hi all:
Just as lots of folks needed a tutorial on what a roofing is (and
isn't), I'm sure there are at least an equal number (now including me)
that need an introductory course on Pan displays (specifically, what
we forecast Elecraft might do versus what Softrock can already do -
and not do).
Hi all:
Arrive in Dayton Thurday, left Sunday. Good time.
Comments:
K3: I bought one (paid in full). K3/100. I can add more later and
by the time I get mine (Sept build, maybe early Oct delivery?) the
other stuff should be sitting on the inventory shelf so no need to
make those decisions
Wow...does not pay to type so fast without checking.
Let's try this paragraph again:
Original:
Interesting method of demonstrating the QSK (turn off side town and
listen to the band hiss on receive, nothing recovery time. Not a
great demo, but better than nothing. I'll see for sure when it
Arghwhat a nit-picker's delight.
The reason why you get You're S9 but please repeat everything is
that you can be S9 and be covered by QRM/QRN.
Check out what the ARRL says about RST (page 2 of the document).
NOTHING about volts. It's all subjective.
Readers would do well to actually read the posts or do a SEARCH on the
archive.
Will you have an issue with only the stock roofing filter? Eric
already gave us the answer with parameters.
If you only use the 2.7 kHz stock filter for CW or data operation
you will be significantly desensed
Wayne, Eric, et al:
Okay, it is now posted on the order form that:
* Our July/August production run is now full. New K3 orders received
after 1800Z 5/14/07 will ship from our second production run. (Sept.)
Come on guys (gals)...how many radios? Why would that be proprietary?
de Doug KR2Q
Hope I've done the math correctly.
K2 $629 (40 hours average 1st time build?)
KSB2 $ 99
K160rx $ 39
K60XV $ 89
KNB2 $ 39
KDSP2$229
KIO2$ 89
Total $1,213
K3/10$1,399 (tons more features/ability than K2)
---OR
K2 $629
Hi all:
Okay, I'm not an engineer. Just what is group delay distortion?
Please reply direct, unless you feel that the group could learn something.
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Wayne, Eric, et al:
I'd love to see (hear) an audio file posted (FAQ?) demonstrating the very
fast and much faster than the K2 QSK at various speeds (40wpm and up).
Please make sure there is another QSO on frequency. :-)
thanks,
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The real facts are: 1) I will order my initial K3 with only the stock
2.7 kHz filter.
followed later by
My best recommendation at this time: Understand the consequences of
depending on a wide roofing filter while making your decisions - if
you choose only the wide filter, live with
I said:
Second, I really have to chuckle at the entire RELATIVELY of these
which, of course, should have read:
Second, I really have to chuckle at the entire RELATIVITY of these
Sorry about that
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Eric, Wayne:
While we are waiting for the specs, I thought that I would list the
specs that I'd like to see, anticipating that you will, minimally,
cover them. Hopefully, other will add to the list.
1. MDS for ssb/cw. By band (160, 20, 10, 6). For both preamp OFF
and preamp ON.
2. BDR at
Wayne:
Thanks for your multiple posts. Your responsiveness is beyond
impressive. I would not doubt the CTO's point of view on his own
design. But now, I do have other comments and I would greatly
appreciate learning how you see these from your point of view.
Let's talk CW.
If a triple
In no particular order (all are needed).
1. MUCH BETTER QSK
2. Stable output power
3. Opto-coupler for RIT/XIT (don't take away XIT and substitute IF
shift) with CLEAR function
4. As turn RIT/XIT, have offset (in KHz) momentarily replace freq
display so we can see the amount of offset
Don said:
We both await the real details on the K3 AGC (and other things too).
There are a TON more than just both waiting for the full complement
of specs. and details.
Just cuz some guys can't wait (I see that the 50% deposit now only
assures a low serial number), there are quanta more
completely indep. VFOs (split modes, bands).
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Hi all:
The notation below (previously posted) is referring to the final
passband filter and NOT a roofing filter. You are trying to compare
apples and oranges.
I think you would be hard pressed to discern (in real use) a
difference between the 200 and 250 hz ROOFING filter, except in LOSS
Okay, I'm done being creative. Try these .
PS... And roofing filter rage has been around for quite some
time...it is far from an Elecraft phenom.
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http://www.sherweng.com/Dayton_2004/Dayton_2004-Sherwood.ppt
Hi all:
I knew this would be a tough one for many (most). Try this on for size
Imagine that you walk into a very large office space (the band),
filled with desks and a hundred people working at those desks. You
sit down at a desk in the middle of the room.
At first, nobody is talking
I forgot to mentionin my analogy, the small subroom is also able
to follow you around (continue to surround you) as move around within
the larger room (band).
Kinda important.
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Hi all:
I got a nice email from Bill (ZV) noting that my description was
rather lacking in helping to define IMD. I fully agree. In fact,
what I described was about as far from what IMD is as one can get.
My intention was to describe how to envision (via analogy) what a
roofing is and does.
Well, there you have it. Someone says, I didn't get a response and BINGO!
Not only a response, but a public one with an apology.
Business axiom about Customer Service:
1. The customer is always right
2. When the customer is wrong, re-read #1
Gotta love it.
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Hi all:
Well, Bill (ZV) gave a nice (brief) summary and pointed to a nice
reference. Ten Tec had (maybe it is still there) some good info also,
but specific to their radio...however, you can still use it to get a
feel for a what a roofing is (and what it isn't). If you're a
member of ARRL, go
Gents:
Well, the info you (Wayne, Lyle) have provided so far is just great
and totally impressive. My mouth is watering and I'm getting ready to
dump (I mean sell) my other radios, except for my K2.
So you have provided an estimate of when delivery will start...thanks.
Just what is your
How about top 11? Then I make it (qrp category).
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If you activate the RIT/XIT, I am guessing that you can monitor that
as an option in the VFO B display. But...does it show the frequency
or the amount of offset (or can you select that too)? I'm hoping one
can see the offset in KHz (+/- 0.00).
I get the center detent LED, but what are the
Can you discuss the loss of the narrow roofing filters and elaborate
on how you compensate for that? How does that compensation impact
rx peformance specs (ie, do some get worse)?
Thanks,
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Any ability to sync two (instead of sync'ing the subrx option...if you
don't get the sub-rx)?
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Okay...looks good so far, but what are the hard specs that
dyed-in-the-wool HF/DX contesters? What are the 2kc-spacing specs?
Will you have a set up at the Crown Plaza in Dayton in the Contest Super Suite?
If not, why not? LOL
And last, but far from least...WOW. a clear button for the
I see AGC-S on the display. I assume that there is also AGC-F and
AGC-off, but are there any other tinkering options for the AGC?
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