Well, Dave, your observations have caused me to take a second look at the K3(S) with transverters for VHF/UHF weak-signal work.

The only problem is, an amplifier to bring the 2m power output of the 2m option for the K3(S) up to 120w or so is around $650 (looking at Mirage) and 120w is not all that much power, absent an antenna with very high gain.

But your observation as to the number of serious weak-signal operators caused me to do some research.

Looking back 10 years to the 2004 June ARRL VHF contest, and comparing it with the results for the same contest in 2014, the total number of stations submitting logs actually increased from 766 to 1,042. I'd have to say that these results show that we still have a good number of serious weak-signal operators.

The January VHF contests from the same 10-year span showed a decrease from 833 to 622 logs submitted, but I might attribute that to having a larger number of operators being able to set up shop on mountaintops, whether portable or rover class, due to better weather conditions in June.

The sample size of 1,042 goes to prove what Eric (Elecraft) stated about the limited market for a dedicated VHF/UHF transceiver - and these operators obviously have the required equipment already.

73 de Jim - AD6CW

On 9/17/2015 10:44 AM, Dave Olean wrote:
There used to be a larger number of "serious weak signal VHF operators, but the serious VHF operators are all dying off with no young ones to replace them. I use three K3s and three K2s in my VHF station. I have one Ten Tec OMNI V as well on 432. The big difference between a great HF vs VHF radio is that LO purity and reciprical mixing performance is paramount on VHF, while HF requires the close in dynamic range to be exemplary. I have yet to see a good multi mode or "do all" radio from any manufacturer. I have never used one in my station as a result. Strong signals on VHf can be a huge problem when giant antennas and high locations are in use. Stations 60 or 70 miles away can clobber you very easily. ERP levels can approach 150 KW. I have always been intrigued by the Sherwood numbers for the Kenwood TS-820S and TS-830 with YK88 filters. They don't look so bad in the listing, but they were awful on VHF in strong signal environments with high gain (20 dBd) antennas. Local oscillator noise did not cut it. The K3 with the new synthesizer is about 40 db or more better. I had the Kenwoods back in the 90's and dumped them for K2s and Ten Tec radios. What a difference. The K3 is icing on the cake. I started using them soon after they came out. They are great on VHF and not too shabby on 160 meters also. (heh heh) I don't think I can recall an overload problem with the Elecraft radios or the Ten Tec OMNI for that matter. The OMNI V used crystal oscillators in the 1st LO, so it was pretty clean. The new K3 synthesizer is awesome. It can handle a 0 dBm signal next to a -135 dBm signal and live to tell about it! I have the 144 built in transverter in one of my K3's, but have not used it as it is too low power to drive my big amplifier. Someday I'll resolve that situation and it should work great. Of course VHF contesting is different in different parts of the country. I live in rural Maine about 250 or 275 miles from New York City. I am on the edge of the golden activity corridor. From my place, it is unwise to use multi mode Japanese rigs for serious contesting. Between the deafness and LO phase noise problems, you would have your hands full. Another ham 50 miles away could have a KW and large antenna that was line of sight or almost line of sight, and squash your receiver like a bug. Every VHF band here has a good HF radio for the receiver. K3s, K2s, and one OMNI V from Ten Tec

Dave K1WHS

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