Re: [Elecraft] [QRO] KPA500 variation of PA current band-by-band

2012-02-08 Thread Brian Alsop
Guys, On the other hand, there nothing wrong with trying to characterize the beastie you have as best you can. If for no other reason to see if something changes with time and how much. Also, how does my kit comparing to other kits which presumable have similar but not identical

Re: [Elecraft] [QRO] KPA500 variation of PA current band-by-band

2012-02-07 Thread Brian Alsop
Guys, I'm also curious about this-- especially what's going on on 15M. My values at 500 W out into a dummy load are: (amp), [volts], {efficiency} 1.8MHz DC (11.5) [63.1] {70} 3.5MHz (11.2) [63.5] {71} 7MHz(12.2) [62.5] {67} 10.1MHz (not measured) 14MHz (13.4)[61.8]

Re: [Elecraft] [QRO] KPA500 variation of PA current band-by-band

2012-02-07 Thread Vic K2VCO
When the KPA100 (the K2's 100w amplifier stage) came out, some of us noted similar issues. The gain available from a transistor varies in the opposite direction to frequency, and the circuits include feedback mechanisms to try to balance it. The characteristics of real components have some

Re: [Elecraft] [QRO] KPA500 variation of PA current band-by-band

2012-02-07 Thread n5ge
Is your dummy load absolutely a flat 1.0:1 from 1.0MHz to 30MHz? 73, Tom Amateur Radio Operator N5GE ARRL Lifetime Member QCWA Lifetime Member Only the white eyes would believe they could cut the top off a blanket, sew it to the bottom and have a longer blanket. -- American Indian comment

Re: [Elecraft] [QRO] KPA500 variation of PA current band-by-band

2012-02-07 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Hmmm, Given that ham-affordable components are full of minor and harmless frequency dependent characteristics, INCLUDING the antennas and dummy loads used, is there really any good reason to EXPECT 1.8-30 power output uniformity beyond what is commonly measured? Quite contrary to amps which were

Re: [Elecraft] [QRO] KPA500 variation of PA current band-by-band

2012-02-07 Thread Tony Estep
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 3:23 PM, n...@n5ge.com wrote: Is your dummy load absolutely a flat 1.0:1 from 1.0MHz to 30MHz? Suppose that the SWR is 1.2. This means that 0.8% of the power is reflected (80 milliwatts reflected for 10 forward). If the SWR is 1.1, the reflected power is

Re: [Elecraft] [QRO] KPA500 variation of PA current band-by-band

2012-02-07 Thread Don Wilhelm
Guy and all, You are so correct. This is ham radio, and precision instrumentation for power output levels is not the norm - a 20% error potential should always be considered. Yes, I personally have power instrumentation that is calibrated to the 5 % level up to 30 MHz. That level of

Re: [Elecraft] [QRO] KPA500 variation of PA current band-by-band

2012-02-07 Thread Don Wilhelm
Tony, All you say is true. and should be heeded by all hams. I have dummy loads that are known to be flat (within 5%) to 1 GHz, and I have several more that are flat to within 500 MHz. Others will display the same characteristics to 60 MHz. I know which ones are which, and I rely on them to

[Elecraft] [QRO] KPA500 variation of PA current band-by-band

2012-02-04 Thread david park
I have recently assembled KPA500 serial number 641.  When testing into a dummy load I find that I get a large variation in the DC power input when driving for 500W CW when I go from band to band. My worst band is 21MHz, where I get the highest current (lowest efficiency).  The drive was

Re: [Elecraft] [QRO] KPA500 variation of PA current band-by-band

2012-02-04 Thread Jack Berry
120 or 240 volts supply? On Feb 4, 2012, at 2:27 PM, david park contrast...@yahoo.com wrote: I have recently assembled KPA500 serial number 641. When testing into a dummy load I find that I get a large variation in the DC power input when driving for 500W CW when I go from band to band. My

Re: [Elecraft] [QRO] KPA500 variation of PA current band-by-band

2012-02-04 Thread Mike Harris
Given that the poster is in the UK can probably assume 240Vac. Regards, Mike VP8NO On 04/02/2012 17:31, Jack Berry wrote: 120 or 240 volts supply? On Feb 4, 2012, at 2:27 PM, david parkcontrast...@yahoo.com wrote: I have recently assembled KPA500 serial number 641. When testing into a