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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior
To: The Smiths
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Understood. My poorly described point was that the signal strength as
reported by the s-meter
2010 06:58:27 -0700
> > From: reh...@ix.netcom.com
> > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior
> >
> > I don't really understand, but would be interested in more
> discussion on
> > this. I think I understand that th
Amen!
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Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:36 PM
To: drewko; The Smiths; Tom W8JI
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior
Aloha Peoples
In some areas of ham radio having a fairly accurate measure of signal
strength is more than "nice". On HF "who really cares" is what I am
getting here on the list. But if you design, construct and try to
get the optimum performance from your station, measurements become
more than "nice". Of
USSV
DHARMA
--- On Thu, 7/15/10, Tom W8JI wrote:
> From: Tom W8JI
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior
> To: "drewko" , "The Smiths"
> Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Date: Thursday, July 15, 2010, 6:27 AM
> > Personally
gives me an S3 reading I know
approximately how well I'm doing at his QTH given the idea I know HIS antenna
set up, and Mine. That's good enough for me.
> From: w...@w8ji.com
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:52:29 -0400
> Subjec
mpress nor answer EVERYONE
> with their knowledge EVERY time. Save it for when it really counts,
> not on how to read an S meter.
>
>
>
> > Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 23:27:40 -0700
> > From: xda...@cis-broadband.com
> > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> > Subject: Re: [
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>> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 06:58:27 -0700
>> From: reh...@ix.netcom.com
>> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior
>>
>> I don't really understand, but would be interested in more discussion on
>> thi
This topic has easily exceeded the 'Too many postings' limit. Time to
end this topic for now.
In the future, on a high volume topic like this, please self regulate. :-)
73, Eric WA6HHQ
Elecraft List modulator
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As this drifts further from the original topic...
I find it amusing that a station will ask me to repeat my callsign and name
several times, and then give me a "59" report.
I think I messed up several people over the weekend contest by giving them "5-7
08" reports instead of what they expected
On Jul 15, 2010, at 12:52 PM, Tom W8JI wrote:
>
> There may be a "standard" some people believe in, but it is a "paper
> standard" that never took hold.
I always thought the standard was "you're 5x9 here OM, and please repeat your
call, QTH and my signal report" :-)
Grant/NQ5T
> Regardless of the fact that in 1934 (as was indicated to me in off
> reflector email) we used to not use the meter for the S report, at some
> time (1970's when proper calibration and standardizations' came about) we
> were able to shift that OLD antiquated 1934's definition over to a
> STAND
invented in Ham radio has to be
forced until the world ends. Much to some peoples Chagrin, we DO evolve as ham
radio operators.
> From: n...@comcast.net
> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 11:38:09 -0500
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior
>
Has there -ever- been a subject in ham radio that's
generated as much argument and discussion over
the years? I think not.
73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
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es in your adjustments. Or you
can just think of it as "a little less ATT"..
> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 06:59:37 -0700
> From: n...@bellsouth.net
> To: d...@w3fpr.com
> CC: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior
>
> Don
> I performed b
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> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior
>
> I don't really understand, but would be interested in more discussion on
> this. I think I understand that the apparent power of a signal to your
> ears/brain may vary even though the actual received power is the sa
Actually the S meter is used so the Strength of the signal report is *not*
subjective, that's reserved for Readability. I firmly believe that the Strength
report must *not* be subjective, why else ever put a meter to measure signal
Strength? In the case of signal Strength we *must* differentiate
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Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 09:49:27 -0400
From: drewko
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior
To: The Smiths
Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
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The way I understand it, turning donw the RF Gain does not "improve"
the signal
> Personally, I would prefer that the s-meter not operate in this way in
> ABS mode. RF Gain should have no effect on the s-meter action when in
> ABS mode, just as ATT and PRE do not.
It would probably screw up (highly technical term) how the system works, or
require a separate receiver just for
time. Save it for when
> it really counts, not on how to read an S meter.
>
>
>
>
>
>> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 23:27:40 -0700
>> From: xda...@cis-broadband.com
>> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior
>>
er
EVERYONE with their knowledge EVERY time. Save it for when it really counts,
not on how to read an S meter.
> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 23:27:40 -0700
> From: xda...@cis-broadband.com
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior
>
>
> Just cu
TheSmiths said:
"559 still MEANS Receive Excellent, Signal 5 S UNITS, Tone Excellent."
Actually, this statement is inaccurate and the RST code never specifies S
meter readings but this perception is a common misconception.
559 means Readability Excellent, Fairly Strong Signal
I do understand that my statement below may not make sense for digital
modes .
Rich
NU6T
On 7/15/2010 6:58 AM, Richard Hill wrote:
> I don't really understand, but would be interested in more discussion on
> this. I think I understand that the apparent power of a signal to your
> ears/brain may
ILL arrive exactly where you're
headed!! Susan Meckley, Skipper W7KFI-mm AFA9SM USSV
DHARMA
--- On Thu, 7/15/10, Richard Hill wrote:
> From: Richard Hill
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Date: Thursday,
elm
>To: Robert Mitilieri - N9EF
>Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>Sent: Thu, July 15, 2010 12:30:07 AM
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior
>Robert,
>You are relying on your S-meter too much IMHO.
>If you have an S-3 noise level, the first attack is to turn off the
&g
I don't really understand, but would be interested in more discussion on
this. I think I understand that the apparent power of a signal to your
ears/brain may vary even though the actual received power is the same.
Commercials on TV seems much louder than the shows these days, but I'm
hearing
The way I understand it, turning donw the RF Gain does not "improve"
the signal's s-meter strength. The increasing level of the s-meter as
you reduce the RF Gain indicates the level that a signal would need to
attain in order to be heard. For example, if you turn the RF Gain to
12 o'clock you will
Don, I don't see that to be the case. The action of the s-meter in ABS
mode does change when the RF Gain has been reduced. If you turn the RF
Gain to 12 o'clock the s-meter goes to S9+30db.
73,
Drew
AF2Z
On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 23:34:22 -0400, Don W3FPR wrote:
>Robert,
>
>The K3 does have a "cur
Thanks all for your comments. It's nice to get so much feedback so fast!
While I'm not very concerned about this, I do like to use my S meter to give
the Strength report and believe that an S7 signal should read S7 even if the RF
gain is turned down a bit (just for info, I set the S meter to Abs
ot, not just an
> "Ignore" your 2,000 dollar rig's S meter.
>
>
>
> 559 still MEANS Receive Excellent, Signal 5 S UNITS, Tone Excellent.
>
>
>> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 00:30:07 -0400
>> From: w3...@embarqmail.com
>> To: n...@comcast.net
>>
S UNITS, Tone Excellent.
> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 00:30:07 -0400
> From: w3...@embarqmail.com
> To: n...@comcast.net
> CC: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior
>
> Robert,
>
> You are relying on your S-meter too much IMHO.
> Yes, a
Robert,
You are relying on your S-meter too much IMHO.
If you have an S-3 noise level, the first attack is to turn off the
preamp - if that does not reduce the noise level enough, then turn the
Attenuator ON.
If the noise level is still so high as to be bothersome, turn the RF
Gain control down
Yes it does with respect to RF gain.
--- On Wed, 7/14/10, Don Wilhelm wrote:
The K3 does have a "cure", and that is to set the S-meter to ABS
(absolute) in the Configuration Menu (see the manual). With that
setting, the S-meter does not change with the PRE/ATT/RF Gain.
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Increasing the RF gain does deflect the meter upwards. I should have mentioned
that there is an S3 noise floor. Here's the steps that I followed:
Tune a signal that's peaking S7 with RF gain fully CW
Tune away from any signal (S3 noise) adjust the RF gain CCW until the meter
reads S5
Tune that s
Robert,
That is just the way the S-meter response works - it is the same on many
receivers - the S-meter will indicate higher when the RF Gain is reduced.
The K3 does have a "cure", and that is to set the S-meter to ABS
(absolute) in the Configuration Menu (see the manual). With that
setting,
While I've seen many post regarding S meter calibration I have a question to
which I haven't found an answer in the archives.
Let's say I'm listening to a signal that's peaking at S7. I usually decrease
the RF gain so that, with no signal, the S meter reads about S5. This reduces
the backgroun
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