Re: [Elecraft] Battery vs Ultracapacitor

2005-06-29 Thread w8ur
At 11:18 PM 6/27/2005, Kevin Rock wrote... >If I have done this correctly you should be able to run a QRP rig key down for >approximately 14 minutes with a fully charged 5K Farad ultracapacitor. Discharge curves vary significantly between caps and batteries. Caps discharge exponentially, and the

Re: [Elecraft] Battery vs Ultracapacitor

2005-06-28 Thread Thom R LaCosta
On Tue, 28 Jun 2005, Margaret Leber wrote: wayne burdick wrote: There are also bacteria that produce hydrogen, when properly "trained." The problem with that so far has been the feasibility of the nanotech-based whip and chair. :-) To say nothing of the nanotreats to reinforce the desired

Re: [Elecraft] Battery vs Ultracapacitor

2005-06-28 Thread Tom Arntzen
]>; "glowbugs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 5:40 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Battery vs Ultracapacitor > Hi Kevin, One day we may be running our rigs from ultracapacitors instead of batteries. They recharge extremely rapidly. They store charge fo

[Elecraft] Battery vs Ultracapacitor

2005-06-28 Thread Jim Harris
Kevin, The first thing that jumps out at me is that capacitors voltage drops at what I remember is a log rate when discharging. A capacitor would still have something like half the coulombs of electrons left inside when the voltage would have dropped too low for the average rig to work correctly.

Re: [Elecraft] Battery vs Ultracapacitor

2005-06-28 Thread Margaret Leber
wayne burdick wrote: There are also bacteria that produce hydrogen, when properly "trained." The problem with that so far has been the feasibility of the nanotech-based whip and chair. :-) 73 de Maggie K3XS -- K2 1641 -- -/___. _)Margaret Stephanie Leber CCP, SCJP/"The art of progre

Re: [Elecraft] Battery vs Ultracapacitor

2005-06-27 Thread Ian Stirling G4ICV, AB2GR
On Monday 27 June 2005 23:18, Kevin Rock wrote: > If it burns > cyanide gas is produced in dangerous quantities. OT but .. In 1986 during a software contract, one of the staff kind of staggered back to his seat saying that he felt weak and sick. I told him that he was suffering from mild c

RE: [Elecraft] Battery vs Ultracapacitor

2005-06-27 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Wayne, N6KR wrote: Meanwhile (next 5 years), I'll put my money on miniature fuel cells. They're already available for some applications, such as mobile of recharging cell phone batteries. There are fuel-cell-powered bicycles under development, too. About a year or so ago one

Re: [Elecraft] Battery vs Ultracapacitor

2005-06-27 Thread Kevin Rock
The articles I've been reading put these components in association with solar cells, regenerative braking, and with various types of fuel cells as the electricity source. Fuel cells and ultracapacitors play very well together. The economy of scale is coming from the hybrid automotive market.

Re: [Elecraft] Battery vs Ultracapacitor

2005-06-27 Thread wayne burdick
Hi Kevin, One day we may be running our rigs from ultracapacitors instead of batteries. They recharge extremely rapidly. They store charge for a long period of time. And they discharge at rates that put the best batteries to shame. If you need high amperage devices (think your 100 watt

[Elecraft] Battery vs Ultracapacitor

2005-06-27 Thread Kevin Rock
I've been reading the technical literature lately and have been following an interesting development: ultracapacitors. These components are on the order of 5K to 20K Farads. So I did a little calculating. 1F = 1V * 1 Coulomb. 1 Coulomb = 1 Ampere Second Thus 1F = 1V * 1 Amp Second. 5000 F