[Elecraft] Could you make a Element/vibration hardend VX3?

2014-05-04 Thread rgconner
Dear Elecraft, Right now there is no currently produced solution for a harsh condition, i.e. vibration, dust, moisture rated that is more versatile/powerful than a hand held 2m/70cm 5w unit suitable for mounting on say, handlebars of a motorcycle or atv. Please take into consideration cooling

Re: [Elecraft] Could you make a Element/vibration hardend VX3?

2014-05-04 Thread Matt VK2RQ
If you are looking for a 2m/70cm mobile rig with more than 5W output (eg. 50W?) to stay in touch with your buddies in the convoy, then the KX3 is simply the wrong solution. Even CB may be a better fit, except for the power/range requirement. After your ride, if you want to set up camp, throw

Re: [Elecraft] Could you make a Element/vibration hardend VX3?

2014-05-04 Thread Mike Morrow
Please take into consideration cooling issues and variable power supply as well. I would gladly pay the current price + 10% to 20% premium for a hardened unit. More would depend on the feature set. Have you any experience with such industrial design? That generous 20 percent premium that

Re: [Elecraft] Could you make a Element/vibration hardend VX3?

2014-05-04 Thread rgconner
You must not use CB, or maybe it is just where I live, but if you try and use any channel on the CB the yahoos drown you out. REmeber, any yahoo can use CB, but a HAM operator has to pass a test. That appears to weed out the yahoos. I am amazed by all the things this radio does, and does well,

Re: [Elecraft] Could you make a Element/vibration hardend VX3?

2014-05-04 Thread Walter Underwood
It isn't a delicate wallflower, but it is a pretty expensive and complicated way to get 3W on 2m FM. And it isn't really designed for general-purpose 2m use. Will it have automatic repeater offsets on 2m? Maybe not. With a dual-band mobile, you can use a high-gain 440 antenna. You'll also have

Re: [Elecraft] Could you make a Element/vibration hardend VX3?

2014-05-04 Thread Russell Conner
Starting to be sorry I asked. On May 4, 2014, at 4:50 PM, Walter Underwood wun...@wunderwood.org wrote: It isn't a delicate wallflower, but it is a pretty expensive and complicated way to get 3W on 2m FM. And it isn't really designed for general-purpose 2m use. Will it have automatic

Re: [Elecraft] Could you make a Element/vibration hardend VX3?

2014-05-04 Thread rgconner
Well, I guess that is why the FT-10 failed. $250 dollar handheld in a $500 case? or a $1000 radio in a $500 case? -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Could-you-make-a-Element-vibration-hardend-VX3-tp7588524p7588558.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list

Re: [Elecraft] Could you make a Element/vibration hardend VX3?

2014-05-04 Thread Wayne Burdick
It was a perfectly valid question, Russell. Hardening the KX3 would be useful for high-vibration applications, but definitely on the expensive side. I'm not sure we could justify the engineering time or that we'd have a large enough market for it. 73, Wayne N6KR On May 4, 2014, at 4:51 PM,

Re: [Elecraft] Could you make a Element/vibration hardend VX3?

2014-05-04 Thread Russell Conner
I understand, I have an electronics background too, just like I'd imagine anyone attracted to your fine product. I can see the time and passion you put into your product. You could have come back and said we are working on it or It is most of the way there, it just is not water resistant or We

Re: [Elecraft] Could you make a Element/vibration hardend VX3?

2014-05-04 Thread Jim Brown
On 5/4/2014 5:41 PM, Russell Conner wrote: You could have come back and said we are working on it or It is most of the way there, it just is not water resistant or We know someone who has a modification guide I figured no harm in asking boy was I wrong. Russell, You're being unfair. You

Re: [Elecraft] Could you make a Element/vibration hardend VX3?

2014-05-04 Thread Fred Jensen
On 5/4/2014 2:47 PM, Matt VK2RQ wrote: After your ride, if you want to set up camp, throw up an antenna and work some HF, then the KX3 is great for that. It's about using the right tool for the right job. I believe he said he had just passed his Technician license, somewhat limiting on HF.

Re: [Elecraft] Could you make a Element/vibration hardend VX3?

2014-05-04 Thread Russell Conner
Yes, but I have at least 2 Generals and an extra class in the group... I can give them control of the rig and use their license at camp, yes? On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 6:40 PM, Fred Jensen k6...@foothill.net wrote: On 5/4/2014 2:47 PM, Matt VK2RQ wrote: After your ride, if you want to set up

Re: [Elecraft] Could you make a Element/vibration hardend VX3?

2014-05-04 Thread Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT
On 5/4/2014 6:13 PM, Jim Brown wrote: Elecraft is a small company, they make a small range of products, all primarly aimed at the HF ham bands, all are designed and built in the US, and they don't sell through dealers that add cost to the consumer. Russell is also being unfair in that he's

Re: [Elecraft] Could you make a Element/vibration hardend VX3?

2014-05-04 Thread Russell Conner
No, I hear that part about the high bands, I get that part now that someone has said it. I now understand the radio restrictions, and that the 2m module is going to be very low power. Several decades on 2m and 1.25m tells me that what Phil says is true: he should be able to get 30 miles (or more)

Re: [Elecraft] Could you make a Element/vibration hardend VX3?

2014-05-04 Thread Russell Conner
Wayne, looking at how well your unit is put together and designed, (and I work with a lot of IBM Mainframe/RS600 gear from the last 30 years, so I know good engineering when I see it) I am pretty sure that I could build a sealed, finned, aluminum case with rubber standoffs, and a flexible plastic

Re: [Elecraft] Could you make a Element/vibration hardend VX3?

2014-05-04 Thread Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT
On 5/4/2014 6:49 PM, Russell Conner wrote: Several decades on 2m and 1.25m tells me that what Phil says is true: he should be able to get 30 miles (or more) reliably in all but the twistiest terrain. Except I keep saying over and over we ARE IN THOSE TWISTIES. and the hand helds are effective

Re: [Elecraft] Could you make a Element/vibration hardend VX3?

2014-05-04 Thread Ray Sills
Well, as Wayne, said... it could be done, but would hardly be worth doing so as a business venture. Maybe the Air Force will come along with a big contract for MIL-spec KX3s. Or not. And, as much as I love the KX3, it's not the tool for the job for group communication on a bike run.

Re: [Elecraft] Could you make a Element/vibration hardend VX3?

2014-05-04 Thread mcduffie
On Sun, 4 May 2014 18:49:42 -0700, Russell Conner wrote: Except I keep saying over and over we ARE IN THOSE TWISTIES. and the hand helds are effective only part of the time. And yet, no one seems to be listening to me on that point. It gets frustrating. Hell, I am very frustrated. You're

Re: [Elecraft] Could you make a Element/vibration hardend VX3?

2014-05-04 Thread Russell Conner
Let me worry about the power provided by the bike, make recommendations based on my actual requirements. We are doing short 15 sec info and commands every 5 to 15 minutes, not rehearsing Hamlet over the air. 1/4 wave is only 1.5 meters, six feet. Need to flip it over when I get in the garage, but

Re: [Elecraft] Could you make a Element/vibration hardend VX3?

2014-05-04 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
Folks - Let's end this thread for now. Its morphing way OT and is also exceeding the single topic limit for this splinter off of the original thread. 73, Eric List Moderator elecraft.com On 5/4/2014 8:20 PM, mcduf...@ag0n.net wrote: On Sun, 4 May 2014 18:49:42 -0700, Russell Conner wrote: