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RX moduleK3TXC03-1 TCXO(2) FM 8 pole roofing filters Main and SubKFL3A-6K 6 Khz
AM filters 8 pole Main and Sub(2) 2.7 Khz std SSB filters(2) KFL3A-2.1K 2.1 SSB
filters 8 pole Main and Sub(2) KFL3A-400 400 hz.CW filters 8 pole Main and
SubKDVR3 Digital voice recorderKXV3 transv. interface moduleK3 remote I/O board
upgradeK3AFM DKT audio line out mod kitN8LP IF mod flf fet=185 maAll cables and
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1. Re: K4HD (Ed K1EP)
2. Re: K4 screen material? (Wayne Burdick)
3. Re: Elecraft IC-7610, (David Bunte)
4. Re: Elecraft IC-7610, (Grant Youngman)
5. Re: KPA1500 AC Mains wire colours (Fred Jensen)
6. Re: Elecraft IC-7610, (Charlie T)
7. WANTED: K3 Factory Built, 100-watt, Sub Rx, Excellent
Condition (Mark Murray)
8. WANTED: K3 Factory Built, 100-watt, Sub Rx, Excellent
Condition (Mark Murray)
9. LOOKING FOR a KPA3 100-w amp for the K3. Also, KPA3 parts.
(Mark Murray)
10. Re: Elecraft / IC-7610 comparison (Wayne Burdick)
11. AX1 first contact (W1GO (Joe))
12. Re: Elecraft / IC-7610 comparison (Brian Denley)
13. Re: Elecraft / IC-7610 comparison (Brian Denley)
14. Re: Elecraft / IC-7610 comparison (Alan)
15. Re: Elecraft / IC-7610 comparison (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
16. Re: Elecraft IC-7610, (Bill Stravinsky)
17. Re: Elecraft / IC-7610 comparison (Bill Stravinsky)
18. Re: Elecraft / IC-7610 comparison (Graziano Roccon (IW2NOY))
19. Elecraft K4 - WiFi ability (Graziano Roccon (IW2NOY))
20. Alternate refletor for Collins? (Frank Krozel)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 13:03:07 -0400
From: Ed K1EP <k1ep.l...@gmail.com>
To: Charlie T <pin...@erols.com>
Cc: Elecraft Mailing List <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4HD
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You can apply for K3S anytime for a temporary call.
On Mon, May 20, 2019, 12:22 Charlie T <pin...@erols.com> wrote:
> That reminds me of a joke that went around in the 40's about a guy named
> "Franklin Delano (bad word)".
> When he wanted to legally have his name changed, he was asked what he
> wanted, since the one he had was not too desirable.
>
> He replied, "Just plain old 'Joe (bad word)'".
>
> Who'll be the first to apply for K4HD?
> That'll be like a tattoo with your current girl-friends name.
> Curiously, K5HD is already taken.
>
> 73, Charlie k3ICH
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net <elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net>
> On Behalf Of Wes
> Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2019 4:44 PM
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4HD
>
> I was going to ask whether K4HD gets a free one, but he's an SK.
>
> Wes N7WS
>
>
>
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 11:16:56 -0700
From: Wayne Burdick <n...@elecraft.com>
To: W0FK <llader...@earthlink.net>
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 screen material?
Message-ID: <11be0fa6-91a4-4f33-b7a7-b6c08dda9...@elecraft.com>
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The screen uses capacitive touch, like a smart phone or table. The surface is
thick, long-life glass.
Some radios use resistive touch which is less expensive. Such screens require
more contact force in general and are not optically transparent.
Wayne
N6KR
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> On May 20, 2019, at 5:18 AM, W0FK <llader...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> Hopefully the K4 screen be made of gorilla glass or similar scratch/damage
> resistant material that?s still touch sensitive. One that is relatively
> ?fingerprint resistant? would also be great.
>
> Lou, W0FK
>
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 14:37:32 -0400
From: David Bunte <dpbu...@gmail.com>
To: pin...@erols.com
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft IC-7610,
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Charlie -
I have not read EVERYTHING in this thread... but I sure don?t recall anyone
saying you should get rid of your IC-7610.
Maybe I missed something.
Dave - K9FN
On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 12:21 PM <pin...@erols.com> wrote:
> OK, So why should I dump my IC-7610 for a K4?
>
> The Icom comes standard with dual Rx diversity, and is between 2/3 to 1/2
> the (proposed) price of the K4.
>
> Hmmmmm, Charlie k3ICH
>
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 15:17:17 -0400
From: Grant Youngman <ghyoung...@gmail.com>
To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft IC-7610,
Message-ID: <97750cce-3d53-4848-8412-1cee3f21a...@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Weil .. with an Icom you?ll have the privilege and the ultimate enjoyment of
eventually being sucked in by the next shiny object, and purchasing a 7610XL,
and 7615, and 1715XL and ? and ?
With the E?craft, (if history is any indication), you will be able to purchase
a few boards over time. Sure, they?re not free .. but it?s just boards. And
you may actually get software updates and new features in the ?old? radio.
But I don?t know if that means you should part with your 7610, You can always
ask the 756Pro guys what they think (?). :-)
Clearly I?m biased ?
Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091 KX3 #8342
> On May 20, 2019, at 2:37 PM, David Bunte <dpbu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Charlie -
>
> I have not read EVERYTHING in this thread... but I sure don?t recall anyone
> saying you should get rid of your IC-7610.
>
> Maybe I missed something.
>
> Dave - K9FN
>
> On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 12:21 PM <pin...@erols.com> wrote:
>
>> OK, So why should I dump my IC-7610 for a K4?
>>
>> The Icom comes standard with dual Rx diversity, and is between 2/3 to 1/2
>> the (proposed) price of the K4.
>>
>> Hmmmmm, Charlie k3ICH
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 12:41:29 -0700
From: Fred Jensen <k6...@foothill.net>
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 AC Mains wire colours
Message-ID: <89eef592-8085-91fd-3b97-5a582e77e...@foothill.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
Jim is using the NEC terminology of "phase" meaning any hot conductor,
not that two of the three phases are brought into service entrance.
73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County
On 5/20/2019 8:41 AM, Chris Cox, N0UK wrote:
> Sorry, I'm not being pedantic but standard US home supply is NOT two phaes
> plus ground, it is still single phase 120-0-120 Vac with the 0 volt being
> grounded and tied to the neutral line for each of the two anti-phase hot
> lines.
>
> The power is distributed around the area as three phase and each of those
> three phases is then typically split between three properties at the
> outdoor powerpole.
>
> --
> 73 Chris Cox, N0UK, G4JEC
> chr...@chris.org
>
> On Sat, 18 May 2019, Jim Brown wrote:
>
>> On 5/18/2019 4:28 PM, Clay Autery wrote:
>>> 230VAC on 3 wires?? Never knew they did 3 wire 220V....? I always
>>> assumed it was still 2 hots and ground (plus an optional neutral).
>> Two hots (phases) and ground is three wires. Single-phase power normally
>> comes into a building in North America as two phases and a neutral. We
>> connect a 240V load between the two phases, and a 120V load between one
>> phase and a neutral. It's not unusual to feed a sub-panel with both
>> phases, neutral, and ground so that the panel can feed both 120V and
>> 240V loads. The key here is that loads must NEVER be connected between a
>> phase and ground, ALWAYS between phases or between phase and neutral.
>>
>> You probably know that EU runs on 230/240V, wired phase, neutral, and
>> ground.
>>
>> 73, Jim K9YC
>>
>>
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 16:16:35 -0400
From: "Charlie T" <pin...@erols.com>
To: <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft IC-7610,
Message-ID: <002801d50f48$efd19750$cf74c5f0$@erols.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
No, you didn?t miss anything.
No one ?said? I should do anything.
However, it?s obvious to me that the K4 is basically an IC7610 on muscle
building steroids and probably has an infusion of alien technology (new stuff,
not the old 1947 Roswell cache).
There are features and performance that far exceed the Icom?s capabilities.
Even though, on the surface, they ?look? somewhat alike.
My question (only to myself, but rhetorically stated) is should I make the
switch?
73, Charlie k3ICH
From: David Bunte <dpbu...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2019 2:38 PM
To: pin...@erols.com
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft IC-7610,
Charlie -
I have not read EVERYTHING in this thread... but I sure don?t recall anyone
saying you should get rid of your IC-7610.
Maybe I missed something.
Dave - K9FN
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 20:13:11 -0400
From: "Mark Murray" <markmu.boeing...@yahoo.com>
To: <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] WANTED: K3 Factory Built, 100-watt, Sub Rx,
Excellent Condition
Message-ID: <008901d50f69$fa8ec160$efac4420$@Yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
WANTED: K3/100 Factory Built, 100-watt, KRX3F Sub, KXV3A, Excellent
Condition.
Pls contact me off line. Thank you. my callsign (at) arrl (dot) NET
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 20:16:21 -0400
From: "Mark Murray" <markmu.boeing...@yahoo.com>
To: <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] WANTED: K3 Factory Built, 100-watt, Sub Rx,
Excellent Condition
Message-ID: <008a01d50f6a$6bf44be0$43dce3a0$@Yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
WANTED: K3/100 Factory Built, 100-watt, KRX3F Sub, KXV3A, Excellent
Condition.
Pls contact me off line. Thank you. my callsign W2OR (at) arrl
(dot) NET
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 20:26:59 -0400
From: "Mark Murray" <markmu.boeing...@yahoo.com>
To: <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] LOOKING FOR a KPA3 100-w amp for the K3. Also,
KPA3 parts.
Message-ID: <000001d50f6b$e85c0640$b91412c0$@Yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Looking for a KPA3 100-w amp for the K3.
The newer KPA3A, used in the K3-s,
would also work.
Also looking for KPA3 parts. A pair of
MOSFETS used as the 'finals' would be nice.
Thanks. Pls contact me off-line:
W2OR (at) arrl (dot) NET
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 17:39:11 -0700
From: Wayne Burdick <n...@elecraft.com>
To: pin...@erols.com
Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft / IC-7610 comparison
Message-ID: <85825e47-ec48-431a-add5-f20cf5ad4...@elecraft.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> Charlie, K3ICH, wrote:
>
> OK, So why should I [pejorative deleted] my IC-7610 for a K4?
Hi Charlie,
The '7610 is an impressive and capable radio. We have one in our shop and have
put it on the air.
It's a bit of apples/oranges comparison to the K4, though. Since you asked ...
here are some K4 characteristics to consider:
* Controls -- The K4's UI is quite different, borrowing heavily from the K3,
but with an infusion of versatility due to the 7" display. It has the widest
available viewing angle and is very bright. (K4 tire-kickers at Dayton were
extremely complimentary about the display, which was gratifying after 200 or so
iterations on the concept drawing by yours truly.) There are three
multifunction knobs (not just one), each mapped to a semantic group, e.g.
"XMIT". Their functions adapt to the current operating mode, etc. On the right
side of the radio there are three 400-count, ball-bearing drive optical shaft
encoders, for VFO A, VFO B, and RIT/XIT offset. No need to multi-task one or
two controls. Bottom line: ease of use. If you do get stuck, there's a built-in
help system.
* Dynamic range -- The K4 is a direct-sampling, dual-receiver radio in its base
configuration. But those in high-signal environments can add the dual superhet
module to realize a 20 to 25 dB improvement in headroom (blocking dynamic
range) over any radio that is direct-sampling only. This is the same delta as,
for example, a K3S vs. any other non-superhet on Sherwood's list.
* Portability -- The K4 weighs only about 10 pounds, draws only about 2 amps on
RX, and can run down to 11 volts. It will try to drag you off to a Field Day
site or remote island if not bolted to your desk.
? Remote control -- The K4 comes with remote-control via Ethernet built in. One
K4 can controlled by another, or by a tablet or PC. Eric must have demonstrated
this 500 times at Dayton and I daresay he's getting good at it.
* Modularity -- We segregated the K4's modules in such a way as to facilitate
easy update to units in the field if/when new tech becomes available. For
example, we could quickly and cost-effectively incorporate a new ADC or DAC.
Call it planned non-obsolescence. This the 20th anniversary of the K2, and the
10th anniversary of the K3. Both are still shipping.
* Extensibility -- In addition to the HDR module, the user will be able to add
a VHF/UHF module, which in turn could morph in the future. This philosophy
extends to software as well, given the K4's general-purpose computing module
[not Windows]. I like to think of it as our "app engine," limited only by the
imagination of our software team and other talented contributors.
* External monitor output -- HDMI, not DVI. (To each his own?)
* Tuning aid -- The "mini-pan" is one of our favorite features of the K4. When
you tap on a signal you don't just get a geometric magnification of the main
panadapter's pixels; you get a re-sampled, high-resolution spectral display of
as narrow as +/- 1 kHz (varying per mode). This is great for signal
auto-spotting and left/right peak search. The mini-pan is per-receiver and can
either be turned on automatically or by tapping either S-meter.
? IO -- The K4's IO is a superset of the K3's, meaning it comes with all of the
analog and control I/O you might need as well as 4 USB ports, Ethernet, etc.
* Antenna sources -- There are up to 3 ATU antenna jacks and up to 5 receive
antenna inputs.
73,
Wayne
N6KR
------------------------------
Message: 11
Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 21:52:45 -0400
From: "W1GO (Joe)" <w...@icloud.com>
To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] AX1 first contact
Message-ID: <cc0b813b-a1a8-4141-ba93-9c2e1729c...@icloud.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
All,
First use of AX1 today in New York?s Adirondack Mountains. KX3, CW, 20M and <
10W. Special event station LZ497OM, Bulgaria, about 5K miles.
Pretty amazing given the fact the station was work numerous NA and Europe
stations. Now that?s serious fun!
Happy operating.
73
Joe
W1GO
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 23:24:13 -0400
From: Brian Denley <b.den...@comcast.net>
To: Wayne Burdick <n...@elecraft.com>
Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft / IC-7610 comparison
Message-ID: <db82f550-ccbc-4ee7-9398-ecfa617a5...@comcast.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Wayne:
When you mention that the K4 has Ethernet (which means cables to me), it must
also have WiFi if you can control with tablets, no?
Brian
KB1VBF
Sent from my iPad
On May 20, 2019, at 8:39 PM, Wayne Burdick <n...@elecraft.com> wrote:
>> Charlie, K3ICH, wrote:
>>
>> OK, So why should I [pejorative deleted] my IC-7610 for a K4?
>
>
> Hi Charlie,
>
> The '7610 is an impressive and capable radio. We have one in our shop and
> have put it on the air.
>
> It's a bit of apples/oranges comparison to the K4, though. Since you asked
> ... here are some K4 characteristics to consider:
>
> * Controls -- The K4's UI is quite different, borrowing heavily from the K3,
> but with an infusion of versatility due to the 7" display. It has the widest
> available viewing angle and is very bright. (K4 tire-kickers at Dayton were
> extremely complimentary about the display, which was gratifying after 200 or
> so iterations on the concept drawing by yours truly.) There are three
> multifunction knobs (not just one), each mapped to a semantic group, e.g.
> "XMIT". Their functions adapt to the current operating mode, etc. On the
> right side of the radio there are three 400-count, ball-bearing drive optical
> shaft encoders, for VFO A, VFO B, and RIT/XIT offset. No need to multi-task
> one or two controls. Bottom line: ease of use. If you do get stuck, there's a
> built-in help system.
>
> * Dynamic range -- The K4 is a direct-sampling, dual-receiver radio in its
> base configuration. But those in high-signal environments can add the dual
> superhet module to realize a 20 to 25 dB improvement in headroom (blocking
> dynamic range) over any radio that is direct-sampling only. This is the same
> delta as, for example, a K3S vs. any other non-superhet on Sherwood's list.
>
> * Portability -- The K4 weighs only about 10 pounds, draws only about 2 amps
> on RX, and can run down to 11 volts. It will try to drag you off to a Field
> Day site or remote island if not bolted to your desk.
>
> ? Remote control -- The K4 comes with remote-control via Ethernet built in.
> One K4 can controlled by another, or by a tablet or PC. Eric must have
> demonstrated this 500 times at Dayton and I daresay he's getting good at it.
>
> * Modularity -- We segregated the K4's modules in such a way as to facilitate
> easy update to units in the field if/when new tech becomes available. For
> example, we could quickly and cost-effectively incorporate a new ADC or DAC.
> Call it planned non-obsolescence. This the 20th anniversary of the K2, and
> the 10th anniversary of the K3. Both are still shipping.
>
> * Extensibility -- In addition to the HDR module, the user will be able to
> add a VHF/UHF module, which in turn could morph in the future. This
> philosophy extends to software as well, given the K4's general-purpose
> computing module [not Windows]. I like to think of it as our "app engine,"
> limited only by the imagination of our software team and other talented
> contributors.
>
> * External monitor output -- HDMI, not DVI. (To each his own?)
>
> * Tuning aid -- The "mini-pan" is one of our favorite features of the K4.
> When you tap on a signal you don't just get a geometric magnification of the
> main panadapter's pixels; you get a re-sampled, high-resolution spectral
> display of as narrow as +/- 1 kHz (varying per mode). This is great for
> signal auto-spotting and left/right peak search. The mini-pan is per-receiver
> and can either be turned on automatically or by tapping either S-meter.
>
> ? IO -- The K4's IO is a superset of the K3's, meaning it comes with all of
> the analog and control I/O you might need as well as 4 USB ports, Ethernet,
> etc.
>
> * Antenna sources -- There are up to 3 ATU antenna jacks and up to 5 receive
> antenna inputs.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 23:49:24 -0400
From: Brian Denley <b.den...@comcast.net>
To: Wayne Burdick <n...@elecraft.com>
Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft / IC-7610 comparison
Message-ID: <5e9daf53-6f9a-409e-8770-c1b67615e...@comcast.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Or are you saying that you connect the K4 to your in house router through
Ethernet and then access it through WiFi? (It?s making sense to me now! Hehe).
Thanks
Brian
KB1VBF
Sent from my iPad
> On May 20, 2019, at 11:24 PM, Brian Denley <b.den...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Wayne:
> When you mention that the K4 has Ethernet (which means cables to me), it must
> also have WiFi if you can control with tablets, no?
>
> Brian
> KB1VBF
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On May 20, 2019, at 8:39 PM, Wayne Burdick <n...@elecraft.com> wrote:
>
>>> Charlie, K3ICH, wrote:
>>>
>>> OK, So why should I [pejorative deleted] my IC-7610 for a K4?
>>
>>
>> Hi Charlie,
>>
>> The '7610 is an impressive and capable radio. We have one in our shop and
>> have put it on the air.
>>
>> It's a bit of apples/oranges comparison to the K4, though. Since you asked
>> ... here are some K4 characteristics to consider:
>>
>> * Controls -- The K4's UI is quite different, borrowing heavily from the K3,
>> but with an infusion of versatility due to the 7" display. It has the widest
>> available viewing angle and is very bright. (K4 tire-kickers at Dayton were
>> extremely complimentary about the display, which was gratifying after 200 or
>> so iterations on the concept drawing by yours truly.) There are three
>> multifunction knobs (not just one), each mapped to a semantic group, e.g.
>> "XMIT". Their functions adapt to the current operating mode, etc. On the
>> right side of the radio there are three 400-count, ball-bearing drive
>> optical shaft encoders, for VFO A, VFO B, and RIT/XIT offset. No need to
>> multi-task one or two controls. Bottom line: ease of use. If you do get
>> stuck, there's a built-in help system.
>>
>> * Dynamic range -- The K4 is a direct-sampling, dual-receiver radio in its
>> base configuration. But those in high-signal environments can add the dual
>> superhet module to realize a 20 to 25 dB improvement in headroom (blocking
>> dynamic range) over any radio that is direct-sampling only. This is the same
>> delta as, for example, a K3S vs. any other non-superhet on Sherwood's list.
>>
>> * Portability -- The K4 weighs only about 10 pounds, draws only about 2 amps
>> on RX, and can run down to 11 volts. It will try to drag you off to a Field
>> Day site or remote island if not bolted to your desk.
>>
>> ? Remote control -- The K4 comes with remote-control via Ethernet built in.
>> One K4 can controlled by another, or by a tablet or PC. Eric must have
>> demonstrated this 500 times at Dayton and I daresay he's getting good at it.
>>
>> * Modularity -- We segregated the K4's modules in such a way as to
>> facilitate easy update to units in the field if/when new tech becomes
>> available. For example, we could quickly and cost-effectively incorporate a
>> new ADC or DAC. Call it planned non-obsolescence. This the 20th anniversary
>> of the K2, and the 10th anniversary of the K3. Both are still shipping.
>>
>> * Extensibility -- In addition to the HDR module, the user will be able to
>> add a VHF/UHF module, which in turn could morph in the future. This
>> philosophy extends to software as well, given the K4's general-purpose
>> computing module [not Windows]. I like to think of it as our "app engine,"
>> limited only by the imagination of our software team and other talented
>> contributors.
>>
>> * External monitor output -- HDMI, not DVI. (To each his own?)
>>
>> * Tuning aid -- The "mini-pan" is one of our favorite features of the K4.
>> When you tap on a signal you don't just get a geometric magnification of the
>> main panadapter's pixels; you get a re-sampled, high-resolution spectral
>> display of as narrow as +/- 1 kHz (varying per mode). This is great for
>> signal auto-spotting and left/right peak search. The mini-pan is
>> per-receiver and can either be turned on automatically or by tapping either
>> S-meter.
>>
>> ? IO -- The K4's IO is a superset of the K3's, meaning it comes with all of
>> the analog and control I/O you might need as well as 4 USB ports, Ethernet,
>> etc.
>>
>> * Antenna sources -- There are up to 3 ATU antenna jacks and up to 5 receive
>> antenna inputs.
>>
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 21:26:09 -0700
From: Alan <n...@sonic.net>
To: "elecraft@mailman.qth.net" <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft / IC-7610 comparison
Message-ID: <352af492-2332-6a34-0fc0-77c747326...@sonic.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
For less than $10 you can buy a little WiFi adapter that plugs into a
USB port.? For example:
https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-TL-WN725N-wireless-network-Adapter/dp/B008IFXQFU/
Alan N1AL
On 5/20/19 8:24 PM, Brian Denley wrote:
> Wayne:
> When you mention that the K4 has Ethernet (which means cables to me), it must
> also have WiFi if you can control with tablets, no?
>
> Brian
> KB1VBF
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On May 20, 2019, at 8:39 PM, Wayne Burdick <n...@elecraft.com> wrote:
>
>>> Charlie, K3ICH, wrote:
>>>
>>> OK, So why should I [pejorative deleted] my IC-7610 for a K4?
>>
>> Hi Charlie,
>>
>> The '7610 is an impressive and capable radio. We have one in our shop and
>> have put it on the air.
>>
>> It's a bit of apples/oranges comparison to the K4, though. Since you asked
>> ... here are some K4 characteristics to consider:
>>
>> * Controls -- The K4's UI is quite different, borrowing heavily from the K3,
>> but with an infusion of versatility due to the 7" display. It has the widest
>> available viewing angle and is very bright. (K4 tire-kickers at Dayton were
>> extremely complimentary about the display, which was gratifying after 200 or
>> so iterations on the concept drawing by yours truly.) There are three
>> multifunction knobs (not just one), each mapped to a semantic group, e.g.
>> "XMIT". Their functions adapt to the current operating mode, etc. On the
>> right side of the radio there are three 400-count, ball-bearing drive
>> optical shaft encoders, for VFO A, VFO B, and RIT/XIT offset. No need to
>> multi-task one or two controls. Bottom line: ease of use. If you do get
>> stuck, there's a built-in help system.
>>
>> * Dynamic range -- The K4 is a direct-sampling, dual-receiver radio in its
>> base configuration. But those in high-signal environments can add the dual
>> superhet module to realize a 20 to 25 dB improvement in headroom (blocking
>> dynamic range) over any radio that is direct-sampling only. This is the same
>> delta as, for example, a K3S vs. any other non-superhet on Sherwood's list.
>>
>> * Portability -- The K4 weighs only about 10 pounds, draws only about 2 amps
>> on RX, and can run down to 11 volts. It will try to drag you off to a Field
>> Day site or remote island if not bolted to your desk.
>>
>> ? Remote control -- The K4 comes with remote-control via Ethernet built in.
>> One K4 can controlled by another, or by a tablet or PC. Eric must have
>> demonstrated this 500 times at Dayton and I daresay he's getting good at it.
>>
>> * Modularity -- We segregated the K4's modules in such a way as to
>> facilitate easy update to units in the field if/when new tech becomes
>> available. For example, we could quickly and cost-effectively incorporate a
>> new ADC or DAC. Call it planned non-obsolescence. This the 20th anniversary
>> of the K2, and the 10th anniversary of the K3. Both are still shipping.
>>
>> * Extensibility -- In addition to the HDR module, the user will be able to
>> add a VHF/UHF module, which in turn could morph in the future. This
>> philosophy extends to software as well, given the K4's general-purpose
>> computing module [not Windows]. I like to think of it as our "app engine,"
>> limited only by the imagination of our software team and other talented
>> contributors.
>>
>> * External monitor output -- HDMI, not DVI. (To each his own?)
>>
>> * Tuning aid -- The "mini-pan" is one of our favorite features of the K4.
>> When you tap on a signal you don't just get a geometric magnification of the
>> main panadapter's pixels; you get a re-sampled, high-resolution spectral
>> display of as narrow as +/- 1 kHz (varying per mode). This is great for
>> signal auto-spotting and left/right peak search. The mini-pan is
>> per-receiver and can either be turned on automatically or by tapping either
>> S-meter.
>>
>> ? IO -- The K4's IO is a superset of the K3's, meaning it comes with all of
>> the analog and control I/O you might need as well as 4 USB ports, Ethernet,
>> etc.
>>
>> * Antenna sources -- There are up to 3 ATU antenna jacks and up to 5 receive
>> antenna inputs.
>>
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 21:57:15 -0700
From: "Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft" <e...@elecraft.com>
To: Brian Denley <b.den...@comcast.net>
Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft / IC-7610 comparison
Message-ID: <81c43842-a657-4c98-b7b2-bbf059239...@elecraft.com>
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Hi Brian,
Its a regular RJ-45 Ethernet jack on the rear of the K4. (I believe it is
gigabit ethernet..) Usually your network router provides the wifi to connect
wirelessly in the house (also including a DCHP iP address server.)
Embedding wifi in the radio is problematic as it is a rapidly evolving
technology with regular changes in security features, speed etc that are best
handled by router sw and hw upgrades. Its unlikely wifi will stay constant
over the radio's life.
73,
Eric
elecraft.com
_..._
> On May 20, 2019, at 8:24 PM, Brian Denley <b.den...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Wayne:
> When you mention that the K4 has Ethernet (which means cables to me), it must
> also have WiFi if you can control with tablets, no?
>
> Brian
> KB1VBF
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On May 20, 2019, at 8:39 PM, Wayne Burdick <n...@elecraft.com> wrote:
>
>>> Charlie, K3ICH, wrote:
>>>
>>> OK, So why should I [pejorative deleted] my IC-7610 for a K4?
>>
>>
>> Hi Charlie,
>>
>> The '7610 is an impressive and capable radio. We have one in our shop and
>> have put it on the air.
>>
>> It's a bit of apples/oranges comparison to the K4, though. Since you asked
>> ... here are some K4 characteristics to consider:
>>
>> * Controls -- The K4's UI is quite different, borrowing heavily from the K3,
>> but with an infusion of versatility due to the 7" display. It has the widest
>> available viewing angle and is very bright. (K4 tire-kickers at Dayton were
>> extremely complimentary about the display, which was gratifying after 200 or
>> so iterations on the concept drawing by yours truly.) There are three
>> multifunction knobs (not just one), each mapped to a semantic group, e.g.
>> "XMIT". Their functions adapt to the current operating mode, etc. On the
>> right side of the radio there are three 400-count, ball-bearing drive
>> optical shaft encoders, for VFO A, VFO B, and RIT/XIT offset. No need to
>> multi-task one or two controls. Bottom line: ease of use. If you do get
>> stuck, there's a built-in help system.
>>
>> * Dynamic range -- The K4 is a direct-sampling, dual-receiver radio in its
>> base configuration. But those in high-signal environments can add the dual
>> superhet module to realize a 20 to 25 dB improvement in headroom (blocking
>> dynamic range) over any radio that is direct-sampling only. This is the same
>> delta as, for example, a K3S vs. any other non-superhet on Sherwood's list.
>>
>> * Portability -- The K4 weighs only about 10 pounds, draws only about 2 amps
>> on RX, and can run down to 11 volts. It will try to drag you off to a Field
>> Day site or remote island if not bolted to your desk.
>>
>> ? Remote control -- The K4 comes with remote-control via Ethernet built in.
>> One K4 can controlled by another, or by a tablet or PC. Eric must have
>> demonstrated this 500 times at Dayton and I daresay he's getting good at it.
>>
>> * Modularity -- We segregated the K4's modules in such a way as to
>> facilitate easy update to units in the field if/when new tech becomes
>> available. For example, we could quickly and cost-effectively incorporate a
>> new ADC or DAC. Call it planned non-obsolescence. This the 20th anniversary
>> of the K2, and the 10th anniversary of the K3. Both are still shipping.
>>
>> * Extensibility -- In addition to the HDR module, the user will be able to
>> add a VHF/UHF module, which in turn could morph in the future. This
>> philosophy extends to software as well, given the K4's general-purpose
>> computing module [not Windows]. I like to think of it as our "app engine,"
>> limited only by the imagination of our software team and other talented
>> contributors.
>>
>> * External monitor output -- HDMI, not DVI. (To each his own?)
>>
>> * Tuning aid -- The "mini-pan" is one of our favorite features of the K4.
>> When you tap on a signal you don't just get a geometric magnification of the
>> main panadapter's pixels; you get a re-sampled, high-resolution spectral
>> display of as narrow as +/- 1 kHz (varying per mode). This is great for
>> signal auto-spotting and left/right peak search. The mini-pan is
>> per-receiver and can either be turned on automatically or by tapping either
>> S-meter.
>>
>> ? IO -- The K4's IO is a superset of the K3's, meaning it comes with all of
>> the analog and control I/O you might need as well as 4 USB ports, Ethernet,
>> etc.
>>
>> * Antenna sources -- There are up to 3 ATU antenna jacks and up to 5 receive
>> antenna inputs.
>>
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 07:21:45 +0000 (UTC)
From: Bill Stravinsky <k3...@yahoo.com>
To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft IC-7610,
Message-ID: <637813905.2177892.1558423305...@mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Yeah, the 7610 surely resembles the K4.? But how different can you make a rig
with 2 vfo's and touch screen very much different looking.? Take the top and
bottomcovers off each rig and see what's inside and hook each up to an antenna
and see how they perform in contest condx copying some weeny teeny signal.
There is a reason the 7610 is different than a K4 and it's not only the price.?
But the 7610 is a decent radio too.? It all depends on what you want sitting on
your shackdesk.
Whatever tames your pileups.? The K3 is one of the best radios I have used and
am glad I decided to buy it in 2009.? I've listened to a lot of radios since
1963.
BillK3WJV
On Monday, May 20, 2019, 5:15:01 PM EDT, Charlie T <pin...@erols.com>
wrote:
No, you didn?t miss anything.
No one ?said? I should do anything.
However, it?s obvious to me that the K4 is basically an IC7610 on muscle
building steroids and probably has an infusion of alien technology (new stuff,
not the old 1947 Roswell cache).
There are features and performance that far exceed the Icom?s capabilities.
Even though, on the surface, they ?look? somewhat alike.
My question (only to myself, but rhetorically stated) is should I make the
switch?
73, Charlie k3ICH
From: David Bunte <dpbu...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2019 2:38 PM
To: pin...@erols.com
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft IC-7610,
Charlie -
I have not read EVERYTHING in this thread... but I sure don?t recall anyone
saying you should get rid of your IC-7610.
Maybe I missed something.
Dave - K9FN
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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 07:45:22 +0000 (UTC)
From: Bill Stravinsky <k3...@yahoo.com>
To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft / IC-7610 comparison
Message-ID: <998921757.3661690.1558424722...@mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Wayne
Please stop trying to distract me.? I am trying very hard not to visualize the
K4HD taking the place of my ft1000mp already sitting next to my loaded K3 with
P3 (K3 purchased in 2009 serial #2995).I also replaced my manual tune Alpha
with the KPA1500 (serial #153) and that combo is one of my so2r stations.? I
also have the Acom2000A but that is the companion of the ft1000mp.? If I give
intoseeing that K4HD instead of the Yaesu ft1k I will have to keep the Acom
instead of getting a 2nd KPA1500.? I apologize, I think.
BillK3WJV
p.s.? I am still partial to tube amps though, hi, but do love my kpa.
On Monday, May 20, 2019, 8:40:56 PM EDT, Wayne Burdick <n...@elecraft.com>
wrote:
> Charlie, K3ICH, wrote:
>
> OK, So why should I [pejorative deleted] my IC-7610 for a K4?
Hi Charlie,
The '7610 is an impressive and capable radio. We have one in our shop and have
put it on the air.
It's a bit of apples/oranges comparison to the K4, though. Since you asked ...
here are some K4 characteristics to consider:
* Controls -- The K4's UI is quite different, borrowing heavily from the K3,
but with an infusion of versatility due to the 7" display. It has the widest
available viewing angle and is very bright. (K4 tire-kickers at Dayton were
extremely complimentary about the display, which was gratifying after 200 or so
iterations on the concept drawing by yours truly.) There are three
multifunction knobs (not just one), each mapped to a semantic group, e.g.
"XMIT". Their functions adapt to the current operating mode, etc. On the right
side of the radio there are three 400-count, ball-bearing drive optical shaft
encoders, for VFO A, VFO B, and RIT/XIT offset. No need to multi-task one or
two controls. Bottom line: ease of use. If you do get stuck, there's a built-in
help system.
* Dynamic range -- The K4 is a direct-sampling, dual-receiver radio in its base
configuration. But those in high-signal environments can add the dual superhet
module to realize a 20 to 25 dB improvement in headroom (blocking dynamic
range) over any radio that is direct-sampling only. This is the same delta as,
for example, a K3S vs. any other non-superhet on Sherwood's list.
* Portability -- The K4 weighs only about 10 pounds, draws only about 2 amps on
RX, and can run down to 11 volts. It will try to drag you off to a Field Day
site or remote island if not bolted to your desk.
? Remote control -- The K4 comes with remote-control via Ethernet built in. One
K4 can controlled by another, or by a tablet or PC. Eric must have demonstrated
this 500 times at Dayton and I daresay he's getting good at it.
* Modularity -- We segregated the K4's modules in such a way as to facilitate
easy update to units in the field if/when new tech becomes available. For
example, we could quickly and cost-effectively incorporate a new ADC or DAC.
Call it planned non-obsolescence. This the 20th anniversary of the K2, and the
10th anniversary of the K3. Both are still shipping.
* Extensibility -- In addition to the HDR module, the user will be able to add
a VHF/UHF module, which in turn could morph in the future. This philosophy
extends to software as well, given the K4's general-purpose computing module
[not Windows]. I like to think of it as our "app engine," limited only by the
imagination of our software team and other talented contributors.
* External monitor output -- HDMI, not DVI. (To each his own?)
* Tuning aid -- The "mini-pan" is one of our favorite features of the K4. When
you tap on a signal you don't just get a geometric magnification of the main
panadapter's pixels; you get a re-sampled, high-resolution spectral display of
as narrow as +/- 1 kHz (varying per mode). This is great for signal
auto-spotting and left/right peak search. The mini-pan is per-receiver and can
either be turned on automatically or by tapping either S-meter.
? IO -- The K4's IO is a superset of the K3's, meaning it comes with all of the
analog and control I/O you might need as well as 4 USB ports, Ethernet, etc.
* Antenna sources -- There are up to 3 ATU antenna jacks and up to 5 receive
antenna inputs.
73,
Wayne
N6KR
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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 11:45:37 +0200
From: "Graziano Roccon (IW2NOY)" <grazi...@roccon.com>
To: Alan <n...@sonic.net>
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft / IC-7610 comparison
Message-ID: <62defa9608b75d07136e5bc1cc313...@roccon.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
Hello,
this is not good for K4. These products are thought to be manage by
operative systems and drivers (like Windows or Mac or Linux), this is
not the case of the K4 that have a custom "OS" and can't manage that
kind of devices.
Maybe you can use more complicated and expensive devices thought to be
used with RJ-45 ports, where this device use a DHCP and give an ip
address to the RJ-45 port creating a private network between the RJ-45
and the device, afterwards the device can access the WIFI network with
his wifi adapter and work like a bridge between the two network. In this
way, maybe, you can connect the K4 to the wifi in a more "natural" way.
Like this one for example:
https://www.amazon.com/Vonets-VAR11N-300-Multi-Functional-Wireless-Portable/dp/B01199OGK0/ref=sr_1_fkmrnull_1_sspa?keywords=vonets+VAR11+N-300&qid=1558431899&s=gateway&sr=8-1-fkmrnull-spons&psc=1
Best regards, Graziano Roccon IW2NOY / W2NOY
Il 21/05/2019 06:26 Alan ha scritto:
> For less than $10 you can buy a little WiFi adapter that plugs into a
> USB port.? For example:
>
> https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-TL-WN725N-wireless-network-Adapter/dp/B008IFXQFU/
>
>
> Alan N1AL
>
>
> On 5/20/19 8:24 PM, Brian Denley wrote:
>> Wayne:
>> When you mention that the K4 has Ethernet (which means cables to me),
>> it must also have WiFi if you can control with tablets, no?
>>
>> Brian
>> KB1VBF
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On May 20, 2019, at 8:39 PM, Wayne Burdick <n...@elecraft.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> Charlie, K3ICH, wrote:
>>>>
>>>> OK, So why should I [pejorative deleted] my IC-7610 for a K4?
>>>
>>> Hi Charlie,
>>>
>>> The '7610 is an impressive and capable radio. We have one in our shop
>>> and have put it on the air.
>>>
>>> It's a bit of apples/oranges comparison to the K4, though. Since you
>>> asked ... here are some K4 characteristics to consider:
>>>
>>> * Controls -- The K4's UI is quite different, borrowing heavily from
>>> the K3, but with an infusion of versatility due to the 7" display. It
>>> has the widest available viewing angle and is very bright. (K4
>>> tire-kickers at Dayton were extremely complimentary about the
>>> display, which was gratifying after 200 or so iterations on the
>>> concept drawing by yours truly.) There are three multifunction knobs
>>> (not just one), each mapped to a semantic group, e.g. "XMIT". Their
>>> functions adapt to the current operating mode, etc. On the right side
>>> of the radio there are three 400-count, ball-bearing drive optical
>>> shaft encoders, for VFO A, VFO B, and RIT/XIT offset. No need to
>>> multi-task one or two controls. Bottom line: ease of use. If you do
>>> get stuck, there's a built-in help system.
>>>
>>> * Dynamic range -- The K4 is a direct-sampling, dual-receiver radio
>>> in its base configuration. But those in high-signal environments can
>>> add the dual superhet module to realize a 20 to 25 dB improvement in
>>> headroom (blocking dynamic range) over any radio that is
>>> direct-sampling only. This is the same delta as, for example, a K3S
>>> vs. any other non-superhet on Sherwood's list.
>>>
>>> * Portability -- The K4 weighs only about 10 pounds, draws only about
>>> 2 amps on RX, and can run down to 11 volts. It will try to drag you
>>> off to a Field Day site or remote island if not bolted to your desk.
>>>
>>> ? Remote control -- The K4 comes with remote-control via Ethernet
>>> built in. One K4 can controlled by another, or by a tablet or PC.
>>> Eric must have demonstrated this 500 times at Dayton and I daresay
>>> he's getting good at it.
>>>
>>> * Modularity -- We segregated the K4's modules in such a way as to
>>> facilitate easy update to units in the field if/when new tech becomes
>>> available. For example, we could quickly and cost-effectively
>>> incorporate a new ADC or DAC. Call it planned non-obsolescence. This
>>> the 20th anniversary of the K2, and the 10th anniversary of the K3.
>>> Both are still shipping.
>>>
>>> * Extensibility -- In addition to the HDR module, the user will be
>>> able to add a VHF/UHF module, which in turn could morph in the
>>> future. This philosophy extends to software as well, given the K4's
>>> general-purpose computing module [not Windows]. I like to think of it
>>> as our "app engine," limited only by the imagination of our software
>>> team and other talented contributors.
>>>
>>> * External monitor output -- HDMI, not DVI. (To each his own?)
>>>
>>> * Tuning aid -- The "mini-pan" is one of our favorite features of the
>>> K4. When you tap on a signal you don't just get a geometric
>>> magnification of the main panadapter's pixels; you get a re-sampled,
>>> high-resolution spectral display of as narrow as +/- 1 kHz (varying
>>> per mode). This is great for signal auto-spotting and left/right peak
>>> search. The mini-pan is per-receiver and can either be turned on
>>> automatically or by tapping either S-meter.
>>>
>>> ? IO -- The K4's IO is a superset of the K3's, meaning it comes with
>>> all of the analog and control I/O you might need as well as 4 USB
>>> ports, Ethernet, etc.
>>>
>>> * Antenna sources -- There are up to 3 ATU antenna jacks and up to 5
>>> receive antenna inputs.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Wayne
>>> N6KR
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 11:46:35 +0200
From: "Graziano Roccon (IW2NOY)" <grazi...@roccon.com>
To: Alan <n...@sonic.net>
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K4 - WiFi ability
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Hello,
this is not good for K4. These products are thought to be manage by
operative systems and drivers (like Windows or Mac or Linux), this is
not the case of the K4 that have a custom "OS" and can't manage that
kind of devices.
Maybe you can use more complicated and expensive devices thought to be
used with RJ-45 ports, where this device use a DHCP and give an ip
address to the RJ-45 port creating a private network between the RJ-45
and the device, afterwards the device can access the WIFI network with
his wifi adapter and work like a bridge between the two network. In this
way, maybe, you can connect the K4 to the wifi in a more "natural" way.
Like this one for example:
https://www.amazon.com/Vonets-VAR11N-300-Multi-Functional-Wireless-Portable/dp/B01199OGK0/ref=sr_1_fkmrnull_1_sspa?keywords=vonets+VAR11+N-300&qid=1558431899&s=gateway&sr=8-1-fkmrnull-spons&psc=1
Best regards, Graziano Roccon IW2NOY / W2NOY
Il 21/05/2019 06:26 Alan ha scritto:
> For less than $10 you can buy a little WiFi adapter that plugs into a
> USB port.? For example:
>
> https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-TL-WN725N-wireless-network-Adapter/dp/B008IFXQFU/
>
>
> Alan N1AL
>
>
> On 5/20/19 8:24 PM, Brian Denley wrote:
>> Wayne:
>> When you mention that the K4 has Ethernet (which means cables to me),
>> it must also have WiFi if you can control with tablets, no?
>>
>> Brian
>> KB1VBF
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On May 20, 2019, at 8:39 PM, Wayne Burdick <n...@elecraft.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> Charlie, K3ICH, wrote:
>>>>
>>>> OK, So why should I [pejorative deleted] my IC-7610 for a K4?
>>>
>>> Hi Charlie,
>>>
>>> The '7610 is an impressive and capable radio. We have one in our shop
>>> and have put it on the air.
>>>
>>> It's a bit of apples/oranges comparison to the K4, though. Since you
>>> asked ... here are some K4 characteristics to consider:
>>>
>>> * Controls -- The K4's UI is quite different, borrowing heavily from
>>> the K3, but with an infusion of versatility due to the 7" display. It
>>> has the widest available viewing angle and is very bright. (K4
>>> tire-kickers at Dayton were extremely complimentary about the
>>> display, which was gratifying after 200 or so iterations on the
>>> concept drawing by yours truly.) There are three multifunction knobs
>>> (not just one), each mapped to a semantic group, e.g. "XMIT". Their
>>> functions adapt to the current operating mode, etc. On the right side
>>> of the radio there are three 400-count, ball-bearing drive optical
>>> shaft encoders, for VFO A, VFO B, and RIT/XIT offset. No need to
>>> multi-task one or two controls. Bottom line: ease of use. If you do
>>> get stuck, there's a built-in help system.
>>>
>>> * Dynamic range -- The K4 is a direct-sampling, dual-receiver radio
>>> in its base configuration. But those in high-signal environments can
>>> add the dual superhet module to realize a 20 to 25 dB improvement in
>>> headroom (blocking dynamic range) over any radio that is
>>> direct-sampling only. This is the same delta as, for example, a K3S
>>> vs. any other non-superhet on Sherwood's list.
>>>
>>> * Portability -- The K4 weighs only about 10 pounds, draws only about
>>> 2 amps on RX, and can run down to 11 volts. It will try to drag you
>>> off to a Field Day site or remote island if not bolted to your desk.
>>>
>>> ? Remote control -- The K4 comes with remote-control via Ethernet
>>> built in. One K4 can controlled by another, or by a tablet or PC.
>>> Eric must have demonstrated this 500 times at Dayton and I daresay
>>> he's getting good at it.
>>>
>>> * Modularity -- We segregated the K4's modules in such a way as to
>>> facilitate easy update to units in the field if/when new tech becomes
>>> available. For example, we could quickly and cost-effectively
>>> incorporate a new ADC or DAC. Call it planned non-obsolescence. This
>>> the 20th anniversary of the K2, and the 10th anniversary of the K3.
>>> Both are still shipping.
>>>
>>> * Extensibility -- In addition to the HDR module, the user will be
>>> able to add a VHF/UHF module, which in turn could morph in the
>>> future. This philosophy extends to software as well, given the K4's
>>> general-purpose computing module [not Windows]. I like to think of it
>>> as our "app engine," limited only by the imagination of our software
>>> team and other talented contributors.
>>>
>>> * External monitor output -- HDMI, not DVI. (To each his own?)
>>>
>>> * Tuning aid -- The "mini-pan" is one of our favorite features of the
>>> K4. When you tap on a signal you don't just get a geometric
>>> magnification of the main panadapter's pixels; you get a re-sampled,
>>> high-resolution spectral display of as narrow as +/- 1 kHz (varying
>>> per mode). This is great for signal auto-spotting and left/right peak
>>> search. The mini-pan is per-receiver and can either be turned on
>>> automatically or by tapping either S-meter.
>>>
>>> ? IO -- The K4's IO is a superset of the K3's, meaning it comes with
>>> all of the analog and control I/O you might need as well as 4 USB
>>> ports, Ethernet, etc.
>>>
>>> * Antenna sources -- There are up to 3 ATU antenna jacks and up to 5
>>> receive antenna inputs.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Wayne
>>> N6KR
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 07:05:40 -0500
From: Frank Krozel <kg9hfr...@gmail.com>
To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] Alternate refletor for Collins?
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Folks this group has many eyes and ears out with amazing resources.
I am looking for a similar reflector for a Collins KWM-380.
Once I have this up and running I will probably trade for a K3S, etc but in the
meantime, does anyone know of the resource link (Google-Io, etc) for the
KWM-380?
de Frank KG9H
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