Vic Rosenthal wrote:
Ken_ke2n wrote:
I do not want to bring up the pro's and con's of Farnsworth CW (discussed in
many many posts in the elecraft forum, but not specifically in the K3 area).
I would just mention that this is a pretty standard technique on
EME, to
deal with libration fading.
I believe Ken's main point was that when code is stored in a K3 memory,
all the subtle articulation of hand sending is destroyed. On playback,
any extended spacing is forced down to a standard letter space.
This is a known problem, but fortunately there is also a quick fix: a
simple prosign
quote
I would not like to see this added to the K3. It's quite specialized,
unquote
Actually all the ARRL code practice tranmissions from 5-13 WPM use this
method of keying,
(obviously not sending with a bank of K3's)
Some of us grew up on this, back in the day when your novice license
expired
I used to do this with SD = SuperDuper from EI5DI
David
G3UNA
I believe Ken's main point was that when code is stored in a K3 memory,
all the subtle articulation of hand sending is destroyed. On playback,
any extended spacing is forced down to a standard letter space.
This is a known
I used to do this with SuperDuper logging program from EI5DI and it reduced
repeats a lot in contests.
David
G3UNA
From: Ken_ke2n [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2008/11/17 Mon AM 09:11:37 GMT
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Farnsworth and keyer memory loading (K3 Wishlist
Ken_ke2n wrote:
I believe Ken's main point was that when code is stored in a K3 memory,
all the subtle articulation of hand sending is destroyed. On playback,
any extended spacing is forced down to a standard letter space.
This is a known problem, but fortunately there is also a quick fix:
I do not want to bring up the pro's and con's of Farnsworth CW (discussed in
many many posts in the elecraft forum, but not specifically in the K3 area).
I would just mention that this is a pretty standard technique on EME, to
deal with libration fading.
I was quite frustated to have to send by
Why wouldn't you just QSZ? That's the time-tested method of getting Morse
through during weak/fading sig cdx.
Ron AC7AC
-Original Message-
I do not want to bring up the pro's and con's of Farnsworth CW (discussed in
many many posts in the elecraft forum, but not specifically in the K3
Why wouldn't you just QSZ? That's the time-tested method of getting Morse
through during weak/fading sig cdx. unquote
Believe me, repetition of the call signs is done in the extreme in EME.
Each time, the listener tries to keep track of what he *thinks* he heard and
eventually builds up a best
Ken_ke2n wrote:
So you send around 15 WPM, trying to get a whole character through
between fades. It becomes important to know if you have heard two
characters, or one with a hole in the middle. Hence the use of exaggerated
character spacing (a.k.a. Farnsworth).
That's an interesting
Ken_ke2n wrote:
I do not want to bring up the pro's and con's of Farnsworth CW (discussed in
many many posts in the elecraft forum, but not specifically in the K3 area).
I would just mention that this is a pretty standard technique on EME, to
deal with libration fading.
I was quite frustated
)
To: Ken_ke2n
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 23:23
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Farnsworth and EME
Ken_ke2n wrote:
So you send around 15 WPM, trying to get a whole character through between
fades. It becomes important to know if you have heard two characters, or one
with a hole
I'm just starting to move away from where you describe. Been stuck
there for too long. Koch helped me a bunch. Using the G4FON
software, when I was traveling, I would sit in front of the TV at
night and every commercial (there are a lot) I would mute the TV and
start G4FON sending common
I'm glad it's not just me that has this problem. I struggled with Morse for
years due to the way I learned it to pass the test, running each letter
through a lookup table in my head, which was too slow a method for
anything above 12wpm.
Thanks to using what I understood was the Koch method
My understanding is that the Koch method is about learning code at
full speed from the outset, but starting with just two characters and
building up from there. I'm using G4FON's Koch program, but kinda
mixing the two; koch Farnsworth - I'm learning characters at 20
wpm , but with
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You are correct.
The Koch method is about learning morse at full speed 25wpm characters
spaced correctly for 25wpm overall speed. With the G4FON software you
can choose any speed you want. Learn two characters to 95% then add one
or two till you get
I'm glad to hear someone say this. I can copy at least 30 wpm now,
and I rarely hear words. I suppose I do hear some of the more common
ones, such as FER or THE, but for everything else it's still
letter-by-letter for me, too.
I'd also like to echo the comment someone else made about head
The Koch method may be why I've noticed a change in CW over the last few
years. To me, it used to be very smooth and flowing and now it seems to be
very choppy. The letters are faster but, the spacing between the letters
seems to be wider. I've noticed that the ARRL code practice isn't like
This is a very interesting thread to me because it seems like us dinosaurs
really went through the same process you folks are experiencing, but we had
a different venue.
I doubt if I could copy *anything* but 5 WPM CW when I got my Novice ticket.
But I had a whole slice of 80 meters where almost
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From: Ron D'Eau Claire [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 6:58 AM
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Farnsworth Method
This is a very interesting thread to me because it seems like us
dinosaurs
really went through the same process you folks are experiencing
and find it easy copy, I'm even happier, Hi!
I'm glad to know not all of us dinosaurs are extinct.
Ron AC7AC
-Original Message-
From: Robert Tellefsen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 9:35 AM
To: Ron D'Eau Claire; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft
:
[Elecraft] Farnsworth Method Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 07:58:50 -0700 This
is a very interesting thread to me because it seems like us dinosaurs
really went through the same process you folks are experiencing, but we had
a different venue. I doubt if I could copy *anything* but 5 WPM CW when I
: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 9:52 AM
To: Ron D'Eau Claire; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Farnsworth Method
Ron All,
I too was a novice in the early '50s. In fact I received the ticket in late
December '51. What a Christmas present! At about that same time I finished
the first
Robert Tellefsen wrote:
Hi Ron
Looks like we are of the same vintage.
I was a 1952 Novice too.
Count me in that year as well. I learned my 5 wpm from and
Instructograph that the HS radio club had. Engineering school and grad
school/employment took up much of my time after that and I
On Mar 26, 2008, at 3:19 PM, Phil Kane wrote:
Robert Tellefsen wrote:
Hi Ron
Looks like we are of the same vintage.
I was a 1952 Novice too.
Count me in that year as well. I learned my 5 wpm from and
Instructograph that the HS radio club had. Engineering school and
grad
WILLIS COOKE wrote:
I have not been able to find out who old
Farnsworth was, but my guess is he was an operator
about 1910 when the Bug got popular and he needed to
train someone and wanted to use his bug.
B'Gosh and B'Golly! Don't know who old Farnsworth was?
Philo T. Farnsworth was a
Phil Kane wrote:
Philo T. Farnsworth was a Utah native who in 1927 got the first patent
for the image dissector video camera tube which enabled television
as we know it. RCA's Sarnoff stole it and the designation of
Inventor of TV from him just as he - Sarnoff - stole FM radio from
Major Edwin
Over the years I've spoken with many Hams who were unable to break through
to decent CW proficiency until they encountered the Farnsworth method. Until
I actually got on the air and was talking with CW, it was hard for me too.
For their success, I'm happy to see the Farnsworth method practiced.
B'Gosh and B'Golly! Don't know who old Farnsworth was?
delete material about Philo Farnsworth
Quite true, but Wikipedia says the Morse code Farnsworth is not the same
guy:
People learning Morse code using the *Farnsworth method*, named for
Donald R. Russ Farnsworth, also known
things like
RST and QTH are a good place to start and then move on from there.
Nice thread, tnx
Tom
WB2QDG
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From: Ron D'Eau Claire [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Elecraft e-mail list elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 7:31 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] Farnsworth
Tom McCulloch wrote:
I think once we can copy a qso in our heads we are well on our way to
increasing our copy speed.
Absolutely.
A beginner would do well not to right down every letter. Common
things like RST and QTH are a good place to start and then move
on from there.
This is well
On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:31:28 -0700, you wrote:
Over the years I've spoken with many Hams who were unable to break through
to decent CW proficiency until they encountered the Farnsworth method. Until
I actually got on the air and was talking with CW, it was hard for me too.
For their success, I'm
]
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 5:24 PM
To: Ron D'Eau Claire; Elecraft e-mail list
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Farnsworth Method
Hi Ron,
I absolutely agree with your comments and observations. If I might
respectfully add a third step might be to hear words. I think once we can
copy a qso in heads
The ARRL has been using the Farnsworth Method for at
least 40 years and probably has been using it longer
than that. The US Army used the Farnsworth Method
during WWII. I have not been able to find out who old
Farnsworth was, but my guess is he was an operator
about 1910 when the Bug got popular
Reflector
Subject: [Elecraft] Farnsworth Method
The ARRL has been using the Farnsworth Method for at
least 40 years and probably has been using it longer
than that. The US Army used the Farnsworth Method
during WWII. I have not been able to find out who old
Farnsworth was, but my guess is he
I should also mention that I'd be willing to pay money to add this
ability to my K1 and KX1...
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