Re: [Elecraft] Grounding Mat Chatter

2010-03-29 Thread lstavenhagen
Well you can just imagine the problem for Elecraft if they decided to approve a particular ESD mat: - they'd have to choose one or two out of the bunches of the ones available - offer some reason they preferred these one or two over the others. - get them in stock, set a price for them. -

Re: [Elecraft] Grounding Mat Chatter

2010-03-29 Thread Terry Schieler
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Grounding Mat Chatter Well you can just imagine the problem for Elecraft if they decided to approve a particular ESD mat: - they'd have to choose one or two out of the bunches of the ones available - offer some reason they preferred these one or two over the others. - get them

Re: [Elecraft] Grounding Mat Chatter

2010-03-28 Thread David Woolley (E.L)
Some of the anti-static bags that Elecraft use are the pink ones. Those are non-conducting and get their anti-static properties by not generating static, rather than dissipating it. They would be useless as an anti-static mat. kf4by wrote: For a grounding mat I simply used the anti-static

Re: [Elecraft] Grounding Mat Chatter

2010-03-28 Thread Dave, G4AON
A proper grounding mat costs a fraction of the price of a transceiver, so why not use a proper mat and avoid the risk? Perhaps Elecraft should sell anti-static mats and wrist bands. There have also been complaints that the DSP board upgrade included the risk of static damaged boards being

Re: [Elecraft] Grounding Mat Chatter

2010-03-28 Thread Nick-WA5BDU
This thread got me off onto a tangent, trying to measure resistances on some of these anti-static materials, such as the black foam pad and the silvery plastic envelope. I had a capacitor discharge through the unknown and used a MOSFET to monitor the capacitor, since a 10 M-ohm DMM would have

Re: [Elecraft] Grounding Mat Chatter

2010-03-28 Thread Bob Naumann
: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Woolley (E.L) Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 2:35 AM To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Grounding Mat Chatter Some of the anti-static bags that Elecraft use are the pink ones. Those

Re: [Elecraft] Grounding Mat Chatter

2010-03-28 Thread lstavenhagen
Reminds me of some of the aviation newsgroups I follow - some topics go on and on, die down for a few days/weeks and then start back up all over again (props and oil for example). It's generally things that you can't confirm go one way or the other until after a looong time and a lot of money

Re: [Elecraft] Grounding Mat Chatter

2010-03-28 Thread Hisashi T Fujinaka
. -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Woolley (E.L) Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 2:35 AM To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Grounding Mat Chatter Some of the anti-static bags

Re: [Elecraft] Grounding Mat Chatter

2010-03-28 Thread Chris Hembree
This would be like buying a new Apple computer every 2 years. Chris W7CTH From: Hisashi T Fujinaka ht...@twofifty.com To: Bob Naumann w...@w5ov.com Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sun, March 28, 2010 10:11:36 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Grounding Mat Chatter

Re: [Elecraft] Grounding Mat Chatter

2010-03-28 Thread The Smiths
Who thought that a Grounding Mat could generate over 100 emails. People, it's a grounding mat. Seriously... Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 12:49:10 +0100 From: elecr...@astromag.co.uk To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Grounding Mat Chatter A proper grounding mat costs

Re: [Elecraft] Grounding Mat Chatter

2010-03-28 Thread jeff herr
@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Grounding Mat Chatter Being in the semiconductor business and having sat by a anti-static crusader in a previous company, I can tell you you're completely wrong about long-term damage. However, if you want to treat your rig like a normal computer and get a new one

Re: [Elecraft] Grounding Mat Chatter

2010-03-28 Thread Ken Alexander
Just checking my records here Bob. I think Obsessimg About Grounding Matts runs on a quarterly cycle around here. It seems to be winding down now, so you can expect it to start all over again around the end of June. Too bad Elecraft doesn't included an approved grounding matt with each of

[Elecraft] Grounding Mat Chatter

2010-03-27 Thread kf4by
Hi Guys, I've never posted to this group before but I decided to put in my 2 cents regarding the Grounding Mat discussions.  Seems all y'all making this way too scientific..but maybe I'm missing something For a grounding mat I simply used the anti-static bag the RF board was

Re: [Elecraft] Grounding Mat Chatter

2010-03-27 Thread Don Wilhelm
Stan, Welcome to the Elecraft reflector. Your techniques may have been just fine, but only time will tell. The insidious thing about ESD is that it can partially damage components, which shortens their life. The fact that they do not fail immediately does not mean that your anti-static