Re: [Elecraft] How to demo P3/K3?

2010-08-12 Thread David Woolley (E.L)
David Gilbert wrote: make them unusable for recording simple RF. A DVR might not have that problem, although noise and signal levels could still be an issue. It might also be the case that any standard video recorder (or at least the software associated with it) might try to insert sync

Re: [Elecraft] How to demo P3/K3?

2010-08-12 Thread David Gilbert
Makes sense. I guess someone wanting a cheap and dirty solution would have to use a down-converting mixer and record to a file via a sound card, and then mix back to a ham band (assuming, as I suspect would be the case, that for a demo they'd be willing to put up with the image and carrier).

Re: [Elecraft] How to demo P3/K3?

2010-08-10 Thread Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy
Don, The main difficulty I believe with down-converting a band to audio, and then up-converting back to RF to demonstrate the performance of the P3, could be the spurious products generated during each conversion, which might reflect badly on the true performance of the P3 if the products

[Elecraft] How to demo P3/K3?

2010-08-09 Thread Randy Moore
Looks like we may have someone bring a P3 to demo at the Huntsville (AL) Hamfest. Is there a way to demo it, connected to a K3, without an antenna? We'll be deep in the Civic Center. 73, Randy, KS4L __ Elecraft mailing list Home:

Re: [Elecraft] How to demo P3/K3?

2010-08-09 Thread Bill W4ZV
Randy Moore wrote: Looks like we may have someone bring a P3 to demo at the Huntsville (AL) Hamfest. Is there a way to demo it, connected to a K3, without an antenna? We'll be deep in the Civic Center. I'd be surprised if you couldn't see something with a piece of wire connected to the

Re: [Elecraft] How to demo P3/K3?

2010-08-09 Thread Lyle Johnson
Looks like we may have someone bring a P3 to demo at the Huntsville (AL) Hamfest. Is there a way to demo it, connected to a K3, without an antenna? We'll be deep in the Civic Center. I've tried two demos of the P3 inside a building. The first was in a restaurant in Tucson, AZ. We were able

Re: [Elecraft] How to demo P3/K3?

2010-08-09 Thread Steve Ellington
, August 09, 2010 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] How to demo P3/K3? Looks like we may have someone bring a P3 to demo at the Huntsville (AL) Hamfest. Is there a way to demo it, connected to a K3, without an antenna? We'll be deep in the Civic Center. I've tried two demos of the P3 inside

Re: [Elecraft] How to demo P3/K3?

2010-08-09 Thread Dick Dievendorff
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] How to demo P3/K3? I've seen this device used at several hamfest for demonstrating ICOM rigs such as the 7600 and Flex Radio. It's called the Time Machine. http://www.expandedspectrumsystems.com/prod2.html It's hard to tell the difference in a recording and the real thing

Re: [Elecraft] How to demo P3/K3?

2010-08-09 Thread David Gilbert
Baseband TV video is somewhere around 4 MHz, so I wonder if it would be possible to record some 80m activity using the video (yellow) input of a VCR or DVR, and then feed the recorded signal into the K3 at the hamfest. You'd have to pay attention to signal levels ... it probably would

Re: [Elecraft] How to demo P3/K3?

2010-08-09 Thread George Jan
The machine will expect synchronizing pulses to lock up the head and capstan motors. Without sync some machines will not even go into the record mode, if it does noise will really confuse the motor servos. The pass band of a video recorder for NTSC (analog) is not necessarily flat to 4 MHz.

Re: [Elecraft] How to demo P3/K3?

2010-08-09 Thread David Gilbert
Ray, K2ULR, mentioned to me that VCR's probably use the sync pulses of a normal baseband video signal to sync the rotating heads, which would make them unusable for recording simple RF. A DVR might not have that problem, although noise and signal levels could still be an issue. It might

Re: [Elecraft] How to demo P3/K3?

2010-08-09 Thread Don Wilhelm
Dave, You don't have to build that mixer to shift the ham band down to the audio range, a Softrock receiver will do that. For that matter, you don't need the I and Q channels, so any DC receiver without audio filtering after the mixer will do that job too. Turning it back into RF is the bigger

Re: [Elecraft] How to demo P3/K3?

2010-08-09 Thread David Gilbert
True, but I figured more people would be able to build a simple mixer than happen to own a DC receiver, especially if time was a consideration prior to the hamfest (per the original query). And I didn't think the carrier or opposite sidebands from the up conversion would be an issue for a