Re: [Elecraft] K3 AGC Mush ... or blur

2011-12-06 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Not to argue but to move toward clarity... Low level signals are by definition closer to the noise. That would also mean that there would be more stuff between CW bauds. Crisp to some means that the artifacts which define the beginning and the ends of a baud are there. The extreme artifact is a

Re: [Elecraft] K3 AGC Mush ... or blur

2011-12-06 Thread Dick Green WC1M
...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 3:17 AM To: David Gilbert Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 AGC Mush ... or blur Not to argue but to move toward clarity... Low level signals are by definition closer to the noise. That would also mean that there would be more

Re: [Elecraft] K3 AGC Mush ... or blur

2011-12-05 Thread David Gilbert
The only time I heard mush on the K3 was when we had worked down the pileup and only had very low strength guys all calling on the same frequency (the packet/reverse beacon spotting phenomenon). Multiple low level signals close in frequency is EXACTLY the situation that I and at least

Re: [Elecraft] K3 AGC Mush ... or blur

2011-12-05 Thread Wayne Burdick
David, Does turning AGC off (but leaving RF GAIN at max) ever un-blur the signals? Wayne N6KR On Dec 5, 2011, at 9:39 AM, David Gilbert wrote: The only time I heard mush on the K3 was when we had worked down the pileup and only had very low strength guys all calling on the same

Re: [Elecraft] K3 AGC Mush ... or blur

2011-12-05 Thread David Gilbert
To be honest, I've never tried that very often. The one or two times I have done so (AGC off, RF Gain at max) have not been pleasant experiences. The only time I get a pileup of weak signals is working Europe from here in Arizona, and that means I have to point through some very loud

Re: [Elecraft] K3 AGC Mush ... or blur

2011-12-05 Thread John Harper
Multiple low level signals close in frequency is EXACTLY the situation that I and at least several others are concerned about. I don't notice Curiousity is getting the best of me...what transceiver(s) *don't* exhibit this problem and allow individual discernment of multiple weak signals near

Re: [Elecraft] K3 AGC Mush ... or blur

2011-12-05 Thread Fred Jensen
On 12/5/2011 10:38 AM, David Gilbert wrote: If I get the chance during the upcoming ARRL 10m contest I'll give it another try. I'll also try to record the entire contest to see if I can come up with a decent sound clip. That would be really cool, David. My K3 replaced my TS-850 [which I

Re: [Elecraft] K3 AGC Mush ... or blur

2011-12-05 Thread Lu Romero
I think Mr. Harper has hit the nail squarely on the head with this comment: I think our expectations of the K3 are based largely on what we migrated to the K3 from. Its the same expectation that I have for transmit audio punch. It took me six months to feel comfortable with my audio settings on