Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW to Data and "ES" for ampersand?

2007-10-11 Thread Thom LaCosta
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007, David Pratt wrote: I never use half-spaces in ES or DE but I do use di-dah-di-di-dah-dit for inverted commas and di-dah-dah-di-dah-dit for @ which I presume will be included in the K3 character set. Never understood half-spacesmaybe I just leanred how to do it w/o und

Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW to Data and "ES" for ampersand?

2007-10-11 Thread David Pratt
In a recent message, Kevin Rock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote ... International Morse code does not use certain half spaces like the American Morse code does. However there are still half spaces in well formed code in certain prowords such as DE and ES. If you send them without the half space the

Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW to Data and "ES" for ampersand?

2007-10-11 Thread Kevin Rock
International Morse code does not use certain half spaces like the American Morse code does. However there are still half spaces in well formed code in certain prowords such as DE and ES. If you send them without the half space they don't mean the same thing. Therefore you can sense mean

Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW to Data and "ES" for ampersand?

2007-10-11 Thread Leigh L Klotz, Jr.
Thank you. And to mention the concerns of others, I agree this would be a good idea only if it can be enabled/disabled or if it can be reliably distinguished from the letter sequence "es" via the half space. 73, Leigh/WA5ZNU On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 9:53 pm, wayne burdick wrote: On Oct 10, 2007, at

Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW to Data and "ES" for ampersand?

2007-10-11 Thread dj7mgq
> principle of "least surprise" - is "es" is a word in other languages "es" means "it" in German. Es ist schön = It is beautiful. vy 73 de toby ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Su

RE: [Elecraft] K3 CW to Data and "ES" for ampersand?

2007-10-10 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
speak". So, using the CW/RTTY interface, I'll send "and" to make up for the inadequate "intelligence" of the machine. . Ron AC7AC -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Cunnings Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007

Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW to Data and "ES" for ampersand?

2007-10-10 Thread Bob Cunnings
Sure, but we're not using American Morse here - there's no "half step" in International Morse. Whatever - I'm the communications protocol design guy at work, and can't avoid a purist attitude about gateways (CW to ASCII in this case). I can see prosigns used as link control characters since they ar

Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW to Data and "ES" for ampersand?

2007-10-10 Thread Kevin Rock
If I remember my history correctly ES was the American Morse method of sending an ampersand. Leigh was quite correct in mentioning this proword as using the half step much like DE uses. My favorite drift was the original HO HO to HEE HEE to HI HI. Much like the great vowel shift of Middl

Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW to Data and "ES" for ampersand?

2007-10-10 Thread Bob Cunnings
Do you really want to remap words/abbreviations (like the 2 character word "es" which is the symbol for the element einsteinium) in this way? It's quite all right for prosigns like BT and the "..--" mentioned in the operator's manual, but to me it violates the principle of "least surprise" - is "es

Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW to Data and "ES" for ampersand?

2007-10-10 Thread wayne burdick
On Oct 10, 2007, at 9:48 PM, Leigh L Klotz, Jr. wrote: On p.31, the K3 manual says that the CW abbreviation ES isn't used in data modes and might lead to confusion. Why not recognize it in CW-to-Data and send an ampersand? We'll put this on the wish list, Leigh. Good idea. 73, Wayne N6KR

[Elecraft] K3 CW to Data and "ES" for ampersand?

2007-10-10 Thread Leigh L Klotz, Jr.
On p.31, the K3 manual says that the CW abbreviation ES isn't used in data modes and might lead to confusion. Why not recognize it in CW-to-Data and send an ampersand? I believe I read somewhere that ES is actually from American Morse, and was one of those characters with a half-space in it (l