Re: [Elecraft] K3 Hi SWR when sending CW

2012-10-05 Thread Barry
The first link is particularly relevant. My antenna is on a balcony, surrounded by metal. Metal railing, making up cap to balcony wall several feet below wires. Metal mesh in building wall (stucco), about 5 feet away. Commercial grade metal studs in building walls. Guess that's why the

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Hi SWR when sending CW

2012-10-05 Thread Vic K2VCO
Three suggestions: 1) Add a choke balun close to the rig. 2) Add 10' piece of coax to feedline. 3) Add 1/4 wave wire from ground terminal of radio to establish ground reference (about 10' for 12 meters). Be sure it is insulated, and end should not be accessible to people or animals. You can

[Elecraft] K3 Hi SWR when sending CW

2012-10-04 Thread Adrian
http://hamgineer.blogspot.com.au/2012/05/swr-changes-when-i-increase-my-tran smit.html Testing fwd ref pwr ratios with a Bird 43 at both pwr levels would be interesting for a better comparison; http://www.bird-technologies.com/~/media/Bird/Files/PDF/Products/manuals/920 -43.ashx

[Elecraft] K3 Hi SWR when sending CW

2012-10-03 Thread Barry
On 12m (only), despite the ATU bringing the SWR to 1.0 when I press the ATU TUNE button, it shows about 2.5:1 on the bar graph when I send CW. I am using a non-resonant antenna (fan dipole with wires for 40, 20 and 10), but it doesn't do this on the other bands for which I don't have a resonant

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Hi SWR when sending CW

2012-10-03 Thread Adrian
Different pwr level. Do you have a 1:1 isolation balun in coax near antenna feedpoint? On 10/03/2012 09:58 PM, Barry wrote: On 12m (only), despite the ATU bringing the SWR to 1.0 when I press the ATU TUNE button, it shows about 2.5:1 on the bar graph when I send CW. I am using a non-resonant

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Hi SWR when sending CW

2012-10-03 Thread Don Wilhelm
Barry, I don't know the answer in your particular case, but Normally having a difference in SWR for tuning (low power) and operation (higher power) is an indication that you have some faulty connection in your antenna system - look for loose connectors, places where you might have

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Hi SWR when sending CW

2012-10-03 Thread Barry
No balun. Don, no loose connection I can find. Simple setup and the high reading only happens on 12m and is consistent. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Hi-SWR-when-sending-CW-tp7563645p7563651.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Hi SWR when sending CW

2012-10-03 Thread Vic K2VCO
If you have a lot of common-mode current on the coax, this can upset SWR readings, and will be worse the more power you run. If there is no balun and the feedline is a multiple of 1/2 wl on 12m (the worst case for common-mode currents), then this is probably the reason. On 10/3/2012 6:37 AM,

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Hi SWR when sending CW

2012-10-03 Thread Barry
Vic, I think you're on to something. When I vary the power, below 85W, the SWR is 1:1. Above 85W, it starts creeping up with the power increase. If I put some ferrites on the coax, but want to keep them indoors, is there a best location for them? Tnx, Barry W2UP -- View this message in

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Hi SWR when sending CW

2012-10-03 Thread Adrian
No Balun ok, well do you think a 10 turn 8ยจ diameter coax UB at the feedpoint, may help reduce the shield radiation (which can mess your indicated swr)? On 10/03/2012 11:37 PM, Barry wrote: No balun. Don, no loose connection I can find. Simple setup and the high reading only happens on 12m

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Hi SWR when sending CW

2012-10-03 Thread Vic K2VCO
I am not sure. But try it where it's convenient. Remember, for it to be effective at HF, you must have a few turns around a ferrite -- I'd say 4 or 5 turns should be enough for 12m. Just clamping a ferrite bead on a cable doesn't do much. On 10/3/2012 10:11 AM, Barry wrote: Vic, I think

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Hi SWR when sending CW

2012-10-03 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
If it's easier, a decent RF ground at the rig will usually take care of any such issues too. For a single band, a 1/4 wavelength wire connected to the chassis is often a sufficient RF ground. Do not connect the far end to anything. Just run it around a baseboard or lay it on the floor out of the

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Hi SWR when sending CW

2012-10-03 Thread Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy
Barry, If the problem is not solved by Vic's suggestion to choke your feeder, could you please let us know the length of the coax feeder (in feet or metres) between your fan dipole's feedpoint and your K3. Also how long is the part of the feeder which is indoors? 73, Geoff LX2AO On

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Hi SWR when sending CW

2012-10-03 Thread Barry
I set up a common mode choke with 3 turns of coax through 2 ferrites, similar to the figure 2 on p. 18 of this document: http://www.yccc.org/Articles/W1HIS/CommonModeChokesW1HIS2006Apr06.pdf I placed it outside, near the feedpoint. it did not change anything. Geoff, I have 20-25 ft of coax

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Hi SWR when sending CW

2012-10-03 Thread Mike
Barry, I doubt your choke has anywhere near the inductance needed to do the job. I think a careful read of the paper you reference will show what you need to do. 73, Mike NF4L On 10/3/12 7:50 PM, Barry wrote: I set up a common mode choke with 3 turns of coax through 2 ferrites, similar to

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Hi SWR when sending CW

2012-10-03 Thread Vic K2VCO
40 feet is close to one wavelength on 12 meters, so that would be a 'troublesome' length (a multiple of 1/2 wl). If the choke is at the feedpoint, the feedline can pick up RF radiated from the antenna. Perhaps try it near the rig. Alternatively, try adding a 10 foot piece of coax to the