Re: [Elecraft] Now General RF Issue WAS 160m loop experiment a big failure

2011-10-22 Thread n5ge
If you can see the board impressions in the coax, it's toast. Replace it. You didn't say what kind of coax it is, but 9913 is very easily crushed. According to Mosley, the maker of many military antennas, that's why the military doesn't use it on the ground or in the ground. They use RG213,

Re: [Elecraft] Now General RF Issue WAS 160m loop experiment a big failure

2011-10-22 Thread Jim Brown
On 10/22/2011 9:33 AM, n...@n5ge.com wrote: According to Mosley, the maker of many military antennas, that's why the military doesn't use it on the ground or in the ground. They use RG213, which will not crush when run over by vehicles with tires. That information is probably rather dated.

Re: [Elecraft] Now General RF Issue WAS 160m loop experiment a big failure

2011-10-22 Thread n5ge
The point made by Mosley was that the 9913 *style* coax can be crushed easily due to the material used for insulation between the center conductor and the shield. RG213 *style* coax does not suffer from that deficiency. I suppose I could have looked up the MIL STD number of both the coaxes and

Re: [Elecraft] Now General RF Issue WAS 160m loop experiment a big failure

2011-10-22 Thread Jim Brown
On 10/22/2011 1:02 PM, n...@n5ge.com wrote: The point made by Mosley was that the 9913*style* coax can be crushed easily due to the material used for insulation between the center conductor and the shield. RG213*style* coax does not suffer from that deficiency. Understood, Tom. And yes,

Re: [Elecraft] Now General RF Issue WAS 160m loop experiment a big failure

2011-10-21 Thread Jim Brown
On 10/20/2011 6:21 PM, gold...@charter.net wrote: I apparently have a bigger problem with RF in the shack and it has nothing to do with the loop. Hi Don, Your email, and some of the solutions offered, reflect some common misconceptions about RFI, including an earth connection as a solution

Re: [Elecraft] Now General RF Issue WAS 160m loop experiment a big failure

2011-10-21 Thread Fred Jensen
On 10/20/2011 8:24 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: I wholeheartedly endorse Don's comments. I do too. A good practice with any antenna installation is to check the SWR on each band for which it is used, and make a note of that. While in Comm Officers' School at Keesler AFB many years ago, I was

Re: [Elecraft] Now General RF Issue WAS 160m loop experiment a big failure

2011-10-21 Thread Ian White GM3SEK
As Jim Brown says: if all these problems came on suddenly, focus on what parts of the installation have CHANGED. You may well have identified one: Right now I am thinking that I have a bad coax line outside of the house. The reason for this is that I had a new propane tank installed and

Re: [Elecraft] Now General RF Issue WAS 160m loop experiment a big failure

2011-10-21 Thread Mel Farrer
...@ifwtech.co.uk To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Now General RF Issue WAS 160m loop experiment a big failure As Jim Brown says: if all these problems came on suddenly, focus on what parts of the installation have CHANGED. You may well have identified

Re: [Elecraft] Now General RF Issue WAS 160m loop experiment a big failure

2011-10-21 Thread Jim Brown
On 10/21/2011 1:12 PM, Ian White GM3SEK wrote: Is there any chance that the shield has been pulled apart, and is now completely open-circuit? A broken shield connection can be a major cause of RFI, as RF currents can appear in very odd places in their search for a new return path. I also like

Re: [Elecraft] Now General RF Issue WAS 160m loop experiment a big failure

2011-10-21 Thread Wayne Burdick
Is this a helpful list, or what? Wayne On Oct 21, 2011, at 1:21 PM, Jim Brown wrote: On 10/21/2011 1:12 PM, Ian White GM3SEK wrote: Is there any chance that the shield has been pulled apart, and is now completely open-circuit? A broken shield connection can be a major cause of RFI, as

Re: [Elecraft] Now General RF Issue WAS 160m loop experiment a big failure

2011-10-20 Thread goldtr8
Dear Group, I apparently have a bigger problem with RF in the shack and it has nothing to do with the loop. I have been running a successful shack on the second floor of my house and as of Friday last week when I installed the loop I have had nothing but RF problems. I thought on Saturday

Re: [Elecraft] Now General RF Issue WAS 160m loop experiment a big failure

2011-10-20 Thread Don Wilhelm
Don, You MFJ259B can help you locate the fault. Look at the instructions for the 259B and in particular the Distance to Fault section. Yes, crushed coax can cause severe discontinuities, including actual shorts in the coax - not unlikely for coax being run over by heavy equipment. A shack

Re: [Elecraft] Now General RF Issue WAS 160m loop experiment a big failure

2011-10-20 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Now General RF Issue WAS 160m loop experiment a big failure Don, You MFJ259B can help you locate the fault. Look at the instructions for the 259B and in particular the Distance to Fault section. Yes, crushed coax can cause severe discontinuities, including actual shorts