[Elecraft] OT: RFI from Front Loading Washing Machines

2009-09-09 Thread Lu Romero
ecraft] OT: RFI from Front Loading Washing Machines To: 'Elecraft Reflector' Message-ID: <4aa6ca7b.70...@cis-broadband.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I worked in the discrete semi industry (engineer and then business manager) for thirty years, deal

Re: [Elecraft] OT: RFI from Front Loading Washing Machines

2009-09-08 Thread drewko
More anecdotal evidence... I just replaced a gas valve solenoid coil in my dryer-- the first repair it's needed in 30 years. The matching washer hasn't had any problems yet. Nice dryer... it just dries the clothes. It doesn't have to worry about the kinds of things a microprocessor based clothes d

Re: [Elecraft] OT: RFI from Front Loading Washing Machines

2009-09-08 Thread David Gilbert
That might be the case with some generic products, but not for most consumer electronics and certainly not for major appliances. Even when your TV or DVD player fails most people avoid that manufacturer like the plague (at least for the next few product cycles), if not out of fear of a repea

Re: [Elecraft] OT: RFI from Front Loading Washing Machines

2009-09-08 Thread Richard Ferch
K6KR wrote: > Yours is anecdotal evidence based on small sample dizes. The > manufacturers have the data for large numbers. Frankly, I doubt whether sample size has anything to do with it. It's much more likely to be the ability to meet current marketplace demands cheaply (these include consu

Re: [Elecraft] OT: RFI from Front Loading Washing Machines

2009-09-08 Thread David Gilbert
I worked in the discrete semi industry (engineer and then business manager) for thirty years, dealing with most of the major appliance companies in Asia, Europe, and the U.S. By their own statements, the mechanical timer was far and away the most failure prone component in any washing machin

Re: [Elecraft] OT: RFI from Front Loading Washing Machines

2009-09-08 Thread Dick Dievendorff
(wear) than the timers they replace, and might result in >> higher reliability of that portion of the product? These are >> generally the reasons... >> >> Dick, K6KR >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net >&g

Re: [Elecraft] OT: RFI from Front Loading Washing Machines

2009-09-08 Thread Grant Youngman
> > The only advantage of the microprocessors are quick time > to market and the ability to implement water/energy saving > cycles demanded by the enviro-nuts at the cost of EMI > pollution. Excuse me? Front loading machines use far less water and detergent (both beneficial) and generally resu

Re: [Elecraft] OT: RFI from Front Loading Washing Machines

2009-09-08 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
o: 'Lee Buller'; 'Don Rasmussen'; 'Elecraft Reflector' > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: RFI from Front Loading Washing Machines > > > Perhaps because microcontroller-based control circuits might > be less expensive to manufacture than the mechanical devices

Re: [Elecraft] OT: RFI from Front Loading Washing Machines

2009-09-08 Thread Bob
h.net > [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Lee Buller > Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 6:06 AM > To: Don Rasmussen; Elecraft Reflector > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: RFI from Front Loading Washing Machines > > Ok > > There is something to be said

Re: [Elecraft] OT: RFI from Front Loading Washing Machines

2009-09-08 Thread Dick Dievendorff
t: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 6:06 AM To: Don Rasmussen; Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: RFI from Front Loading Washing Machines Ok There is something to be said about keeping with older technology. Why does a washer and dryer need to have a microprocessor? Timers have done t

Re: [Elecraft] OT: RFI from Front Loading Washing Machines

2009-09-08 Thread Lee Buller
9 9:23:45 PM Subject: [Elecraft] OT: RFI from Front Loading Washing Machines I've been stuck for a couple years now with a Whirlpool Duet front loading washing machine. The internal MCU and switcher power supply trashes entire HF at S9 +10, I have to use an MFJ-1026 to remedy this. Whirlpool Due

Re: [Elecraft] OT: RFI from Front Loading Washing Machines

2009-09-07 Thread Jim Brown
On Tue, 8 Sep 2009 07:16:18 +0100, David Cutter wrote: >From your research, would you conclude that the machine did not >comply with emc regulations? NO! FCC Rules give noise makers built into appliances and lighting equipment a complete exemption from EMC rules. Again, this is a topic for

Re: [Elecraft] OT: RFI from Front Loading Washing Machines

2009-09-07 Thread David Cutter
Leigh >From your research, would you conclude that the machine did not comply with emc regulations? This sort of problem is, as we all know, common with many imported computers, shipped with filters designed in but obviously missing. Is this a sign that industry in general is prepared to save

Re: [Elecraft] OT: RFI from Front Loading Washing Machines

2009-09-07 Thread Leigh L. Klotz, Jr. WA5ZNU
> On Mon, 7 Sep 2009 19:23:45 -0700 (PDT), Don Rasmussen wrote: > >>I've been stuck for a couple years now with a Whirlpool Duet front >>loading washing machine. The internal MCU and switcher power supply >>trashes entire HF at S9 +10, > > Your post is timely. As it happens, there are two recent th

Re: [Elecraft] OT: RFI from Front Loading Washing Machines

2009-09-07 Thread Jim Brown
On Mon, 7 Sep 2009 19:23:45 -0700 (PDT), Don Rasmussen wrote: >I've been stuck for a couple years now with a Whirlpool Duet front >loading washing machine. The internal MCU and switcher power supply >trashes entire HF at S9 +10, Your post is timely. As it happens, there are two recent threads

Re: [Elecraft] OT: RFI from Front Loading Washing Machines

2009-09-07 Thread Steve Ellington
Don Read down through this thread. You might want to contact this guy. http://lists.contesting.com/_rfi/2005-02/msg00041.html Steve N4LQ n...@carolina.rr.com - Original Message - From: "Don Rasmussen" To: Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 10:23 PM Subject: [Elecraft] OT: RFI

[Elecraft] OT: RFI from Front Loading Washing Machines

2009-09-07 Thread Don Rasmussen
I've been stuck for a couple years now with a Whirlpool Duet front loading washing machine. The internal MCU and switcher power supply trashes entire HF at S9 +10, I have to use an MFJ-1026 to remedy this. Whirlpool Duet and Maytag Neptune are notoroius for this with no known sure fire remedies