[Elecraft] RE: Wire Antennas -- corrected theory comment

2007-02-22 Thread Rick Hiller
Hello, Don, Dave, et al, Don said The only problem with that is the high voltage point on a fullwave loop is electrically opposite the feedpoint, not 1/4 wave away from the feedpoint. Not so. Here's why... Define a quad, full wave loop, as a square -- geometrically equal lengths on all sides.

[Elecraft] Re: Wire Antennas

2007-02-21 Thread Rick Hiller
Dave (and Don), Not a silly question, Dave, what so ever. My suggestion was to open it up 90 degrees from the present feed-point, 1/4 way around...this being a voltage maximum (loop) and current minimum (node). This enables the loop to still act like a loop on 80, if you desire to maintain

[Elecraft] RE: Wire Antennas

2007-02-21 Thread Don Wilhelm
Rick, The only problem with that is the high voltage point on a fullwave loop is electriclly opposite the feedpoint, not 1/4 wave away from the feedpoint. It is true that opening it at the 80 meter 1/4 wave point would create an off-center fed 160 meter dipole that has been bent back on itself,

Re: [Elecraft] Re: wire antennas

2007-02-21 Thread Stuart Rohre
Jim and the group, At every field day, our club W5KA uses 80 M Inverted Double Extended Zepp element wire doublets. We have had up to 250 feet of two types of window line, and with the large Dentron tuner, we have a low loss match, and it works every signal we hear. That is on multiple bands

RE: [Elecraft] Re: wire antennas

2007-02-21 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Regarding open wire line, I generally use something in the vicinity of 450 ohms. That is an easy size to buy or fabricate and produces a fairly low SWR when used to feed most doublets. While open wire lines are low-loss, they are not lossless. SWR does matter, just no where near as much as when

Re: [Elecraft] Re: wire antennas

2007-02-21 Thread N2EY
In a message dated 2/21/07 4:59:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: our club W5KA uses 80 M Inverted Double Extended Zepp element wire doublets. If my math is right, that works out to about 330-340 feet of wire, center-fed! We have had up to 250 feet of two types

[Elecraft] Re: wire antennas

2007-02-20 Thread Bill Cunningham K4KSR
Why not put up a Windom, which is an off-center fed dipole? It does require a 4:1 balun, but it is coax fed and works very well on both odd and even harmonics. I use two 40 meter Windoms, crossed for complementary coverage and fed separately. They work well on all bands (even 80 in a pinch)

Re: [Elecraft] Re: wire antennas

2007-02-20 Thread rohre
Even simpler is a 80m dipole fed with balanced line to a tuner for all band use. The window line is less costly than coax. A good quality tuner is less lossy in multiband use than coax/ tuner balun, etc.. Balanced antennas have fewer problems than off center feeds. Balanced line to dipole does

Re: [Elecraft] Re: wire antennas

2007-02-20 Thread Darrell Bellerive
On February 20, 2007 02:17 pm, rohre wrote: Even simpler is a 80m dipole fed with balanced line to a tuner for all band use. Perhaps simpler, but not necessarily a good solution. The window line is less costly than coax. Usually. A good quality tuner is less lossy in multiband use than

Re: [Elecraft] Re: wire antennas

2007-02-20 Thread N2EY
In a message dated 2/20/07 5:18:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Even simpler is a 80m dipole fed with balanced line to a tuner for all band use. The window line is less costly than coax. A good quality tuner is less lossy in multiband use than coax/ tuner balun,