[Elecraft] start without ANY extra roofing filters....

2007-05-07 Thread Bill Tippett
I wrote: Bottom line: 1. Narrower is not always better (Ten-Tec experience) 2. 8-poles is not always better than 5-poles (per Inrad) 3. Let IMD and BDR measurements be your guide More evidence below to support waiting for IMD/BDR measurements before ordering any roofing

Re: [Elecraft] start without ANY extra roofing filters....

2007-05-07 Thread Larry Phipps
Well done, Bill. This again shows the importance of real life measurements... and why I didn't order any filters until more is known about them. Anybody interested in the subject of filter design must read the article by list member Jack, K8ZOA in the current QEX. It gives a lot of valuable

Re: [Elecraft] start without ANY extra roofing filters....

2007-05-07 Thread Jan Erik Holm
This I have noticed during my own IP3 measurements on my FT-1000D, not as much as 16dB but around 3 dB. This was with the INRAD roofing filter and 2 kHz offset. in any case this was enough for me not to use the filter. I´m eagerly waiting for measurement figures on the K3. Beats me why they

Re: [Elecraft] start without ANY extra roofing filters....

2007-05-07 Thread Jack Smith
Hat tip to Larry ... now all I need is a commission on every QEX sold ... Crystals are non-linear and their motional parameters are, to some degree or other, a function of drive voltage. Since a filter's loss is a function of its motional parameters, the corollary to that is intermodulation

Re: [Elecraft] start without ANY extra roofing filters....

2007-05-07 Thread Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy
The IMD contributed by inductor cores used in the front-end selective circuits is often not taken into account either, or for that matter any core within the signal path. They can bite. 73, Geoff GM4ESD Larry Phipps wrote: This is a subject which seems to be gaining in importance as

Re: [Elecraft] start without ANY extra roofing filters....

2007-05-07 Thread Dave G4AON
Adam (VA7OJ/AB4OJ) wrote: It is highly significant that professional receivers manufactured by the likes of RS, Rockwell-Collins, Racal and Harris have a single roofing filter. This filter is typically 12 to 16 kHz wide, to pass multi-channel ISB, VFT (multiplexed teletype) and high-speed

Re: [Elecraft] start without ANY extra roofing filters....

2007-05-07 Thread Fred Jensen
Dave G4AON wrote: Adam a friend has a well maintained Racal RA1792 military receiver which is hopeless compared to even moderately good amateur gear such as his Kenwood TS-850, I appreciate the 1792 wasn't one of the better Racal receivers but they weren't cheap. If things in the Mother

[Elecraft] start without ANY extra roofing filters....

2007-05-05 Thread DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL
W3FPR said: The real facts are: 1) I will order my initial K3 with only the stock 2.7 kHz filter. followed later by My best recommendation at this time: Understand the consequences of depending on a wide roofing filter while making your decisions - if you choose only the wide filter, live with

[Elecraft] start without ANY extra roofing filters....

2007-05-05 Thread Bill Tippett
It's deja vu all over again (from May 1). 73, Bill W4ZV http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft/2007-May/067147.html K0WA: How many roofing filters do you need in a K3? I would suggest one for SSB and one for CW. That's basically correct,