Re: [Elecraft] 10 dB or 3?

2018-12-14 Thread Gary Smith
In 2015 I had Shingles of the facial nerve (Ramsay Hunt Syndrome) and it caused me to lose 100% of my hearing on the right. Some came back but I have a -85 dB loss in my right ear and what I do hear is not what you hear but attenuated. Noise of any kind makes it difficult to hear and I

Re: [Elecraft] 10 dB or 3?

2018-12-14 Thread Edward R Cole
To add to what Don said, Restaurant noise levels are a plague for me. With my hearing loss the noise level just shoves everything to sound like noise with no intelligence detectable. I note that some now have cc activated on TV's with sound turned down to keep background sound lowered.

Re: [Elecraft] 10 dB or 3?

2018-12-13 Thread Don Wilhelm
Ted, I am not going to comment on the dB aspect, but the XYL and I have had great success in restaurants by asking the staff to turn down the music (or TV or whatever was making electronic sound). In many restaurants, it seems that the staff want to listen to *their* music over the din of

Re: [Elecraft] 10 dB or 3?

2018-12-13 Thread Douglas Hudson
It's been 50 years since I worked in the acoustic labs at Boeing where I posed the same question. One of the specialists in the passenger accommodation section of the lab explained it this way: the human ear is a SUBJECTIVE and dynamic instrument. In other words, the perception of sound

Re: [Elecraft] 10 dB or 3?

2018-12-13 Thread Jim Brown
Most human perception is logarithmic. A change in OVERALL LOUDNESS of about 10 dB is perceived as twice (or half) as loud. Changes in SIGNAL TO NOISE RATIO as small as 1 dB can be the difference between copy or not. This is true for music as well as speech or CW. When mixing live sound with