Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR bug?
Sam, I take it that reading is not one of your strong suits. Sorry just couldn't resist. Have a great day 73 Jack KZ5A K3 #4165 On 11/22/2010 1:41 PM, Sam Morgan wrote: it's already there hold down the left side of the BAND switch until you see the VOX indicator go off sorry just couldn't resist have a great day GB 73 K5OAI Sam Morgan On 11/22/2010 10:27 AM, Jack Brabham wrote: I have a highly intelligent VOX system that always does what I want, when I want, it's called a foot-switch. You can hear good examples of VOX operation by monitoring 14.070, hardly an hour goes by without hearing someones dog barking, kids yelling, or an incoming honey-do request. I'd vote for a CONFIG option to completely disable VOX in SSB so I don't accidentally turn it on when using the band switch, as has happened a few times. 73 Jack KZ5A K3 #4165 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR bug?
I have a highly intelligent VOX system that always does what I want, when I want, it's called a foot-switch. You can hear good examples of VOX operation by monitoring 14.070, hardly an hour goes by without hearing someones dog barking, kids yelling, or an incoming honey-do request. I'd vote for a CONFIG option to completely disable VOX in SSB so I don't accidentally turn it on when using the band switch, as has happened a few times. 73 Jack KZ5A K3 #4165 On 11/16/2010 11:55 AM, Doug Turnbull wrote: It is handy in the event that the wrong message is being sent to interrupt and over ride using voice input just as it is useful to be able to interrupt a CW message with a simple tap of the paddle. I find this especially true in contests. However the point about taking a slurp of coffee is a good one. We need an intelligent VOX system. 73 Doug EI2CN -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of N2TK, Tony Sent: 16 November 2010 17:44 To: j...@audiosystemsgroup.com; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR bug? That is specifically why I would not want the VOX to interrupt the KDVR. N2TK, Tony -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 12:28 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR bug? On 11/16/2010 4:40 AM, Lyle Johnson wrote: VOX over-ride of the DVR was a specific design goal. Whoever set that goal made a BIG mistake. At the very least, there should be a software switch to disable it. A MAJOR reason for using DVR is to allow you to slurp coffee or chew munchies while you're sending an exchange or calling CQ. If the live mic stops DVR playback, it makes that virtually impossible. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR bug?
it's already there hold down the left side of the BAND switch until you see the VOX indicator go off sorry just couldn't resist have a great day GB 73 K5OAI Sam Morgan On 11/22/2010 10:27 AM, Jack Brabham wrote: I have a highly intelligent VOX system that always does what I want, when I want, it's called a foot-switch. You can hear good examples of VOX operation by monitoring 14.070, hardly an hour goes by without hearing someones dog barking, kids yelling, or an incoming honey-do request. I'd vote for a CONFIG option to completely disable VOX in SSB so I don't accidentally turn it on when using the band switch, as has happened a few times. 73 Jack KZ5A K3 #4165 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR bug?
Tnx Lyle for the info. I am not saying this is a bug, but it would be nice if the KDVR wasn't interrupted if you break VOX while it is transmitting. You can talk to someone else in the shack while the recorded message is playing. Kind of got spoiled using the recorder in N1MM which doesn't interrupt the playback of a recorded message unless you hit ESC. Using the KDVR is a simpler hookup with programming the F1-F4 keys in N1MM rather than using the pc's audio card and less chance of feedback, hum and other potential issues. 73, N2TK, Tony -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Lyle Johnson Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 9:23 PM To: Barry Pfeil Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR bug? Yes. The DVR is after MIC GAIN and before filtering/processing, so it records based on the mic gain setting, and plays back to the system at that same exact level. 73, Lyle KK7P ...In other words, changing the MIC gain during playback does NOT affect then playback level. However, the DVR evidently stores UNCOMPRESSED audio because the compression DOES vary directly with the COMP control during DVR playback. Again, is this normal/expected? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR bug?
VOX over-ride of the DVR was a specific design goal. 73, Lyle KK7P Tnx Lyle for the info. I am not saying this is a bug, but it would be nice if the KDVR wasn't interrupted if you break VOX while it is transmitting. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR bug?
Well, that eliminates using the K3 with VOX in the manner I described for speaking the first (variable) part of a contest exchange and using the DVR for the second (fixed) part as in Sweepstakes. MY logic says that if the DVR can start while PTT is activated by the footswitch it should do the same when the PTT is activated by the VOX. I hate to suggest it, but maybe this could be one more option on the DVR operation? 73, Barry K6RM - Original Message From: Lyle Johnson k...@wavecable.com To: N2TK, Tony tony@verizon.net Cc: Barry Pfeil barrypf...@sbcglobal.net; Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tue, November 16, 2010 4:40:22 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR bug? VOX over-ride of the DVR was a specific design goal. 73, Lyle KK7P Tnx Lyle for the info. I am not saying this is a bug, but it would be nice if the KDVR wasn't interrupted if you break VOX while it is transmitting. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR bug?
On 11/16/2010 4:40 AM, Lyle Johnson wrote: VOX over-ride of the DVR was a specific design goal. Whoever set that goal made a BIG mistake. At the very least, there should be a software switch to disable it. A MAJOR reason for using DVR is to allow you to slurp coffee or chew munchies while you're sending an exchange or calling CQ. If the live mic stops DVR playback, it makes that virtually impossible. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR bug?
That is specifically why I would not want the VOX to interrupt the KDVR. N2TK, Tony -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 12:28 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR bug? On 11/16/2010 4:40 AM, Lyle Johnson wrote: VOX over-ride of the DVR was a specific design goal. Whoever set that goal made a BIG mistake. At the very least, there should be a software switch to disable it. A MAJOR reason for using DVR is to allow you to slurp coffee or chew munchies while you're sending an exchange or calling CQ. If the live mic stops DVR playback, it makes that virtually impossible. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR bug?
It is handy in the event that the wrong message is being sent to interrupt and over ride using voice input just as it is useful to be able to interrupt a CW message with a simple tap of the paddle. I find this especially true in contests. However the point about taking a slurp of coffee is a good one. We need an intelligent VOX system. 73 Doug EI2CN -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of N2TK, Tony Sent: 16 November 2010 17:44 To: j...@audiosystemsgroup.com; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR bug? That is specifically why I would not want the VOX to interrupt the KDVR. N2TK, Tony -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 12:28 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR bug? On 11/16/2010 4:40 AM, Lyle Johnson wrote: VOX over-ride of the DVR was a specific design goal. Whoever set that goal made a BIG mistake. At the very least, there should be a software switch to disable it. A MAJOR reason for using DVR is to allow you to slurp coffee or chew munchies while you're sending an exchange or calling CQ. If the live mic stops DVR playback, it makes that virtually impossible. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR bug?
How about being able to set it up like N1MM cancels the voice announcement - use the ESC key? Or if you hit the same F key again before the KDVR is done it stops sending? N2TK, Tony -Original Message- From: Doug Turnbull [mailto:turnb...@net1.ie] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 12:55 PM To: 'N2TK, Tony'; j...@audiosystemsgroup.com; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR bug? It is handy in the event that the wrong message is being sent to interrupt and over ride using voice input just as it is useful to be able to interrupt a CW message with a simple tap of the paddle. I find this especially true in contests. However the point about taking a slurp of coffee is a good one. We need an intelligent VOX system. 73 Doug EI2CN -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of N2TK, Tony Sent: 16 November 2010 17:44 To: j...@audiosystemsgroup.com; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR bug? That is specifically why I would not want the VOX to interrupt the KDVR. N2TK, Tony -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 12:28 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR bug? On 11/16/2010 4:40 AM, Lyle Johnson wrote: VOX over-ride of the DVR was a specific design goal. Whoever set that goal made a BIG mistake. At the very least, there should be a software switch to disable it. A MAJOR reason for using DVR is to allow you to slurp coffee or chew munchies while you're sending an exchange or calling CQ. If the live mic stops DVR playback, it makes that virtually impossible. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3 - KDVR bug?
...At the very least, there should be a software switch to disable it. A MAJOR reason for using DVR is to allow you to slurp coffee... ...or sneeze, or comment to myself on the operating skills of the previous contact, or yell just a minute, honey - while the DVR is calling CQ. I've just put my good ol' W9XT Contest Card away after many years of successful operation with NA, and the KDVR is waiting in the mailbox. I guess I'll have to learn some new techniques. I never use VOX anyway. Ralph, VE7XF (new guidelines) __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR bug?
I pushed for the ability to interrupt DVR playback with PTT (footswitch) activation, but I thought the way it ended up, the DVR would start playing even if PTT was asserted, but would stop if PTT was (re-)asserted after it had started playing. I don't have my K3 at-hand to try this at the moment. I expect VOX activation is considered the same as PTT in this context, but not 100% sure... I don't use VOX. ~Iain / N6ML On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Jim Brown j...@audiosystemsgroup.com wrote: On 11/16/2010 4:40 AM, Lyle Johnson wrote: VOX over-ride of the DVR was a specific design goal. Whoever set that goal made a BIG mistake. At the very least, there should be a software switch to disable it. A MAJOR reason for using DVR is to allow you to slurp coffee or chew munchies while you're sending an exchange or calling CQ. If the live mic stops DVR playback, it makes that virtually impossible. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3 - KDVR bug?
Recently installed the KDVR3 and still trying to figure it out. Two questions: 1. In setting up for the Sweepstakes contest, I want to use the microphone to speak the first part of my exchange, that is the other station's call and the number and precedence I am giving him, e.g., W1XYZ, you're number 123 Uniform and I want to use the KDVR for the rest, e.g., K6RM, 59, Sierra Charlie Victor. I've programmed the N1MM macros from N6ML's site http://www.dseven.org/ar/n1mm-kdvr3 to drive the K3 DVR and they work great when pushing the physical N1MM Function keys or clicking same on-screen. BUT, when using VOX, I've discovered that the message won't play if I try to start it (with the N1MM F-key or ENTER in ESM mode) while the PTT is still asserted from my earlier speaking. If I wait that fraction of a second until the VOX PTT drops (i.e., when I hear noise in the headset again) before I initiate the message, it plays fine. Switching to the footswitch instead of VOX, everything plays fine even if I keep the footswitch down while the DVR message is starting. Seems like the same logic in the K3 that allows that should also apply to the VOX PTT assertion, but apparently it does not? Is this expected behavior or maybe a bug or needed enhancement in the DVR? 2. I find that the playback level of the DVR is a function of the MIC GAIN setting when recording. In other words, changing the MIC gain during playback does NOT affect then playback level. However, the DVR evidently stores UNCOMPRESSED audio because the compression DOES vary directly with the COMP control during DVR playback. Again, is this normal/expected? With all due respect, I LOVE my K3, but I HATE having to experiment (or read this reflector) to learn things like this when it SHOULD be in the manual. Frankly, IMHO, the K3 manual stinks. Thanks es 73, Barry K6RM __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR bug?
On 11/15/2010 5:12 PM, Barry Pfeil wrote: BUT, when using VOX, I've discovered that the message won't play if I try to start it (with the N1MM F-key or ENTER in ESM mode) while the PTT is still asserted from my earlier speaking. During CQP, I used DVR for the first time on your rig. I strongly prefer VOX. The thing I found maddening is that if you BREATHE while the DVR is playing, you'll kill DVR playback. That made it nearly unusable for me. Frankly, IMHO, the K3 manual stinks. I agree. ALL good writing should tell a story. The K3 manual does not tell a story. It's also disjointed, poorly indexed, and some stuff you need to know can be very hard to find. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR bug?
Yes. The DVR is after MIC GAIN and before filtering/processing, so it records based on the mic gain setting, and plays back to the system at that same exact level. 73, Lyle KK7P ...In other words, changing the MIC gain during playback does NOT affect then playback level. However, the DVR evidently stores UNCOMPRESSED audio because the compression DOES vary directly with the COMP control during DVR playback. Again, is this normal/expected? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR bug?
Thanks, Lyle. Why can't the manual make a simple clear statement like that How long has the KDVR been around? Grumble, grumble...! 73, Barry K6RM - Original Message From: Lyle Johnson k...@wavecable.com To: Barry Pfeil barrypf...@sbcglobal.net Cc: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Mon, November 15, 2010 6:22:41 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KDVR bug? Yes. The DVR is after MIC GAIN and before filtering/processing, so it records based on the mic gain setting, and plays back to the system at that same exact level. 73, Lyle KK7P ...In other words, changing the MIC gain during playback does NOT affect then playback level. However, the DVR evidently stores UNCOMPRESSED audio because the compression DOES vary directly with the COMP control during DVR playback. Again, is this normal/expected? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
