Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 active devices!!

2010-04-20 Thread AD6XY
The fcc requires amplifier gain to be 15 decibels maximum for any amatuer radio amplifier. What a stupid regulation! On the one hand you are allowed 1500W and on the other only 15dB gain? It makes no sense. Presumably one of the CB regulations. A gain of 15 dB is reasonable for a single stage

Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 active devices!!

2010-04-18 Thread Tom W8JI
The VRF2933 is rated 3:1 Load VSWR Capability at Specifi ed Operating Conditions according to its datasheet; perhaps that's why there no built-in ATU. .but that doesn't mean SSB IMD would be acceptable, or it would be safe in every circuit at that mismatch, so keep that in mind. :-) No

Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 active devices!!

2010-04-18 Thread Matt Palmer
Well said tom, an often overlooked aspect is the angle of the mismatch, load pull is the only way to tell, while a 3:1 resitive is not to harsh, very few things will survive a 3:1 at an inductive reactance angle. Load pull is the only way to be sure, and I would be uncomfortable making any claims

Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 active devices!!

2010-04-18 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Device web site was claiming any angle in the device specs. (!!!???) This should be fun to watch. 73, Guy. On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 9:54 AM, Matt Palmer kd8...@gmail.com wrote: Well said tom, an often overlooked aspect is the angle of the mismatch, load pull is the only way to tell, while a

Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 active devices!!

2010-04-18 Thread Tom W8JI
It's pretty basic stuff Guy. Look at what happens in this MRF150: http://www.w8ji.com/demonstation.htm It would be nice if there was a free lunch and we could magically buy a device that didn't care about the load and gave reasonable operating efficiency and good IMD with any impedance from

Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 active devices!!

2010-04-18 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft.
@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 active devices!! There are two VRF2933's in push-pull, so they're not 750 watts each, but per pair. There are only three amps in existance, and no devices have been destroyed (yet). Again, 500 watts is a very conservative rating. It's been key-down

[Elecraft] KPA500 active devices!!

2010-04-17 Thread Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-655-8604
There are two VRF2933's in push-pull, so they're not 750 watts each, but per pair. There are only three amps in existance, and no devices have been destroyed (yet). Again, 500 watts is a very conservative rating. It's been key-down for 10 minutes withy no problems. 73, doug

Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 active devices!!

2010-04-17 Thread S Sacco
The VRF2933 is rated 3:1 Load VSWR Capability at Specifi ed Operating Conditions according to its datasheet; perhaps that's why there no built-in ATU. On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 6:44 PM, Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-655-8604 fa...@panix.com wrote: There are two VRF2933's in push-pull, so they're not

Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 active devices!!

2010-04-17 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
At any phase angle with no signal degradation. Minimum 20 dB gain, 300 watt output 400 typical per device. So being operated very conservatively. On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 7:22 PM, S Sacco nn4x.st...@gmail.com wrote: The VRF2933 is rated 3:1 Load VSWR Capability at Specifi ed Operating

Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 active devices!!

2010-04-17 Thread Gary Gregory
Hi All' Works for me..Bring it on Elecraft...!!! Gary On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 9:30 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV olin...@bellsouth.netwrote: At any phase angle with no signal degradation. Minimum 20 dB gain, 300 watt output 400 typical per device. So being operated very conservatively. On Sat,

Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 active devices!!

2010-04-17 Thread Brian Alsop
Just for curiosity, what do a pair of VRF2933 cost? Availability? 73 de Brian/K3KO Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: At any phase angle with no signal degradation. Minimum 20 dB gain, 300 watt output 400 typical per device. So being operated very conservatively. On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 7:22 PM, S

Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 active devices!!

2010-04-17 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
, 2010 6:45 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 active devices!! There are two VRF2933's in push-pull, so they're not 750 watts each, but per pair. There are only three amps in existance, and no devices have been destroyed (yet). Again, 500 watts is a very

Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 active devices!!

2010-04-17 Thread juergen
Hi Joe Have you seen any IMD data on these devices? John --- On Sat, 4/17/10, Joe Subich, W4TV li...@subich.com wrote: From: Joe Subich, W4TV li...@subich.com Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 active devices!! To: 'Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-655-8604' fa...@panix.com, elecraft

Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 active devices!!

2010-04-17 Thread juergen
...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: Brian Alsop als...@nc.rr.com Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 active devices!! To: Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Date: Saturday, April 17, 2010, 4:42 PM Just for curiosity, what do a pair of VRF2933 cost?  Availability? 73 de Brian/K3KO Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: At any

Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 active devices!!

2010-04-17 Thread Dave KQ3T
Digi-Key has them listed at $153.34 each (Qty 1), down to $86.67 in lots of 1000. They have 30 in stock, if you want to order spares early :) 73 Dave KQ3T Brian Alsop wrote: Just for curiosity, what do a pair of VRF2933 cost? Availability? 73 de Brian/K3KO

Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 active devices!!

2010-04-17 Thread elecraft
:42:39 + From: Brian Alsop als...@nc.rr.com Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 active devices!! Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Message-ID: 4bca476f.8020...@nc.rr.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Just for curiosity, what do a pair of VRF2933 cost? Availability

Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 active devices!!

2010-04-17 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
). 73, ... Joe, W4TV -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of juergen Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 7:50 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 active devices!! Hi Joe