Re: [Elecraft] air travel with SLA batteries (was Re: OT Carryingradios on commercial flight)

2010-07-24 Thread Pete Smith
The link below would also be a worthwhile set of pages to select from 
and bring with you - note, for example, that spillable batteries are 
prohibited.  Since they are not prohibited, normal batteries *should* be 
no problem.  This might even work better with TSA than the 
previously-referenced page, since it deals specifically with 
prohibited items, which is the sort of thing that TSA agents focus on, 
rather than advisory tips on safe travel.

http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/prohibited/permitted-prohibited-items.shtm#9

73, Pete N4ZR

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On 7/23/2010 5:10 PM, Doug Turnbull wrote:
 John,
  This is an interesting piece.   I note that at the start of the TSA
 notice that it specifically mentions Lithium Ion batteries.   Does this mean
 that a package of Alkaline batteries with which the battery terminals are
 covered with plastic or pasteboard as originally purchased would be okay?
 I use to like bringing back a brick/box of forty 1.5 V AA batteries from
 CostCo.   These are Kirkland Alkaline batteries.   Battery prices are much
 better in the USA than in EI land.

Thank you for the information and any answer to my question would be
 welcome.

73 Doug EI2CN

 -Original Message-
 From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
 [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of John Shadle
 Sent: 23 July 2010 19:20
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: [Elecraft] air travel with SLA batteries (was Re: OT Carryingradios
 on commercial flight)

 Here is a relevant post I recently submitted to the QRP-L lists which
 may be of interest to folks here.

 For the record, no one asked me to turn anything on.

 -john W4PAH

 Hi all,
 I recently made a trip to Anchorage, AK for work and decided to carry
 on two 17Ah SLA (sealed lead-acid) batteries to support my operations.
 Some folks on the list said don't risk it and ship them ahead of
 time. Others said, tape the terminals and pack them in your
 carry-on.

 Since I had done this in the past (with 7Ah batteries) I decided to
 risk it again.

 I found a web page on the TSA's site which was helpful and printed it
 out to carry with me.

 http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/assistant/batteries.shtm

 This ultimately proved helpful during my departure from RDU (Raleigh
 Durham Airport) on Saturday morning. The TSA agent (who had 1 stripe
 on his shoulder-boards) told me that unless I had an electric
 wheelchair, I wasn't allowed to carry on these batteries. I explained
 to him that I had taped the terminals and packed them in bubble-wrap
 to protect them from damage. I showed him the web page which I had
 printed out which stated that you must Place each battery in its own
 protective case, plastic bag, or package, or place tape across the
 battery's contacts to isolate terminals. Isolating terminals prevents
 short-circuiting.

 I had followed all of the rules. He brought over his supervisor who
 had three stripes on her shoulder boards (I have no idea how many you
 can have, but I saw folks with one, two, and three). She read my
 printout and looked in a manual she had. After reading it a few
 minutes she let me pass. I thanked the one-striper for his patience
 (and tried not to do so in a sarcastic or snarky way), and re-packed
 my bag. Success!

 On the way back from my trip, I was again pulled aside and another
 one-striper unpacked my carry-on and ran everything through again. He
 said, Oh, you must be an amateur radio operator. We had a short
 conversation. He was impressed with the radios and stuff I had. ;-) No
 questions at all, he just wanted to make sure the SLA batteries
 weren't concealing something in the x-ray image that could've been
 below or above them in the bag.

 So, I think in the future the lesson learned is to be prepared by
 following the rules for protecting your batteries from the TSA's web
 site (tape over terminals to prevent a short, pack the batteries in
 bubble wrap or a bubble-wrap envelope), printing out the page from the
 TSA's web site, and be patient as you go through all levels of TSA
 employees until you reach someone who actually knows the rules.

 73
 -john W4PAH

 P.S. I wasn't able to do much operating at all while in Alaska,
 unfortunately. My free day ended up being very rainy and I wasn't able
 to find a covered picnic table at the city park where I visited.
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Re: [Elecraft] air travel with SLA batteries (was Re: OT Carryingradios on commercial flight)

2010-07-23 Thread Doug Turnbull
John,
This is an interesting piece.   I note that at the start of the TSA
notice that it specifically mentions Lithium Ion batteries.   Does this mean
that a package of Alkaline batteries with which the battery terminals are
covered with plastic or pasteboard as originally purchased would be okay?
I use to like bringing back a brick/box of forty 1.5 V AA batteries from
CostCo.   These are Kirkland Alkaline batteries.   Battery prices are much
better in the USA than in EI land.

  Thank you for the information and any answer to my question would be
welcome.

  73 Doug EI2CN 

-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of John Shadle
Sent: 23 July 2010 19:20
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] air travel with SLA batteries (was Re: OT Carryingradios
on commercial flight)

Here is a relevant post I recently submitted to the QRP-L lists which
may be of interest to folks here.

For the record, no one asked me to turn anything on.

-john W4PAH

Hi all,
I recently made a trip to Anchorage, AK for work and decided to carry
on two 17Ah SLA (sealed lead-acid) batteries to support my operations.
Some folks on the list said don't risk it and ship them ahead of
time. Others said, tape the terminals and pack them in your
carry-on.

Since I had done this in the past (with 7Ah batteries) I decided to
risk it again.

I found a web page on the TSA's site which was helpful and printed it
out to carry with me.

http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/assistant/batteries.shtm

This ultimately proved helpful during my departure from RDU (Raleigh
Durham Airport) on Saturday morning. The TSA agent (who had 1 stripe
on his shoulder-boards) told me that unless I had an electric
wheelchair, I wasn't allowed to carry on these batteries. I explained
to him that I had taped the terminals and packed them in bubble-wrap
to protect them from damage. I showed him the web page which I had
printed out which stated that you must Place each battery in its own
protective case, plastic bag, or package, or place tape across the
battery's contacts to isolate terminals. Isolating terminals prevents
short-circuiting.

I had followed all of the rules. He brought over his supervisor who
had three stripes on her shoulder boards (I have no idea how many you
can have, but I saw folks with one, two, and three). She read my
printout and looked in a manual she had. After reading it a few
minutes she let me pass. I thanked the one-striper for his patience
(and tried not to do so in a sarcastic or snarky way), and re-packed
my bag. Success!

On the way back from my trip, I was again pulled aside and another
one-striper unpacked my carry-on and ran everything through again. He
said, Oh, you must be an amateur radio operator. We had a short
conversation. He was impressed with the radios and stuff I had. ;-) No
questions at all, he just wanted to make sure the SLA batteries
weren't concealing something in the x-ray image that could've been
below or above them in the bag.

So, I think in the future the lesson learned is to be prepared by
following the rules for protecting your batteries from the TSA's web
site (tape over terminals to prevent a short, pack the batteries in
bubble wrap or a bubble-wrap envelope), printing out the page from the
TSA's web site, and be patient as you go through all levels of TSA
employees until you reach someone who actually knows the rules.

73
-john W4PAH

P.S. I wasn't able to do much operating at all while in Alaska,
unfortunately. My free day ended up being very rainy and I wasn't able
to find a covered picnic table at the city park where I visited.
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