Another improvement to the K3 makes me a happy man. The K3 is so good that
I am considering the sale of an Icom 746 PRO to purchase a second K3 for
hauling around. This time perhaps I will install the two meter option.
Thank you Elecraft for encouraging the feedback and for being patient when
Perhaps an external control pod might prove a help. I hate having to hold
my hand across the keyboard and key to get to the memory push buttons. Yes
I know one should use an external controller for the rig but this should not
be necessary. Oh but I love the K3 but it needs a control pod.
Hi Larry,
I am sorry that some of my e-mails may have added to your woe as it is
certainly not my intention to do so. I enjoy the comments regarding the K3
and desired improvements but as for getting into arguments over the K3 well
it is not worth it. My K3 has been in use now for about
Frank,
I am unable to fully understand your e-mail. I use a K9AY with my K3
for 160 Meters and also listen with it on 80M and 40m, which are bands I am
not active on but monitor from time to time. I find the K9AY gives me an
average 15 dB front to back ratio on 160M. I have not noticed
Gentlemen,
I truly love this reflector and my sincere thanks to Jack Smith of
Clifton Labs for this interesting piece. The ultimate user manual for the
K3 might rival Webster's in its weight.
73 Doug EI2CN
-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
Gentlemen,
I am happy with the K3 in its present configuration that is either a
10W or 100W output transmitter. I only run a fraction of the output when
using my Acom 1000 amplifier. The radio is very lightly loaded. A 200W
K3 would be bigger and require a larger power supply and would
Guys,
I am not complaining but learning and the vocal complainers are helping
in this process. Let us not be too precious regarding critique as it has
already led to an improved K3! I may yet better learn how to squeeze the
maximum out of my K3. Perhaps an improved manual is needed?
Hi All,
I feel that Elecraft is allowing us to update to the latest version of
the radio and these suits me fine. My costs will include VAT (sales tax)
at 21% plus shipping to EI land so it is not cheap but nor was the K3 until
you compare performance and price with other manufacturers.
Geoff and group,
I also have one on order which has yet to arrive. This time, I forgot
to ask the good people at Elecraft to ship in as small a box as possible.
Sometimes a small parcel coming by post is just passed through without being
charged VAT by our Post Service. This never happens
I do not know about the problems the excellent JA operators may have in
importing equipment from Elecraft directly but I do find this information
interesting. What I can tell you from personal experience is that many EU
hams look at prices in QST and CQ and just dream. It seems that one can
Stan and Company,
Your points are well made Stan. I have inadvertently raised stink on
the TenTec site questioning whether the development of this fine radio was
now over. There has not been an upgrade now for over a year. I made the
mistake of comparing the performance of Elecraft and
Thankfully Elecraft has a limited number of products which they continue to
support in a far more active way than any other manufacturer. I too have
sometimes thought that a larger radio would be nice but then there are
advantages to the present size. There is no harm in our passing on dreams
I am a new owner of a K3 and also run an Orion 2 which is IMHO a fine rig.
I like its larger size and remote pod for use in contests. Put this aside
I need to know how to drive the K3 but am influenced by the O2. For the O2
I keep attenuation off, preamp on and ride the rf gain and I do this
Hi All,
I thought this was an April fool's joke and deleted all references to
this topic. Wow do I have respect for Elecrafter! Thank you for such a
tremendous turnaround rate on improvements! I look forward to your future
panadaptor which I hope is stand alone. I remain a dinosaur who
Ken,
Thank you for your warning but I am now wondering if it applies to
later SN K3s. Mine is number 2574 and sure enough I have been using a
mono-plug but in the Config Menu under SPKRS 1 has been selected. The
manual indicates a preference for stereo plugs but clearly states, If you
Gary and all,
I believe your idea has merit. I am a K3 Novice predominantly using
an Orion 2. The remote Pod of the O2 is a God Send for contesting. What I
really like about it is being able to access the CW SSB memories without the
need for jabbing at small buttons on the rig during the
I am the proud owner of a newly constructed K3 number 2574 as well as a TT
Orion 2. The O2 came with a RS232 cable which I have used a number of
times for updates of the firmware. Has anyone used the same TT O2 cable
when updating their K3?
I hope to install the 100 Watt amplifier this
Where would anyone get such service and attention to detail? The K3 is a
product whose design is ever being improved! I truly hope the good people
at Elecrafter prosper for all their good works. My fear is that as worthy
as government work is that if this gem of a company ever gets out of
Wayne and Company,
Thank you so much for listening and improving the AGC Most K3
Contesters will thank their good fortune for their K3 and the amazing work
you good people put into tweaking the K3 into an even better radio! It is my
feeling that of late the radio of choice for use in
Dave, I was first licensed in 1960 when the General class license had full
privileges and the exam was not that difficult for a fifteen year old at the
time. We old timers from the year of the blue snow and when buffalo roamed
should not be overly critical. Not that your were. It is also a
I am operating in EI where the 6M band can be dead but then open for short
periods. The ability to scan would be most welcome and I know of no
regulation disallowing it in EI land. This would be a most welcome
addition to the radio.
73 Doug EI2CN
-Original Message-
From:
I also find listening to myself on the monitor a bit awkward because I hear
my voice by paths other than that of the radio. I think this can be
largely overcome if you use the Voice Recorder and take a listen afterwards.
The recorder is a very useful feature.
I hope Elecrafter eventually
Oh boy, this is fun!
Doug EI2CN
-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of wayne burdick
Sent: 10 June 2009 17:40
To: K2ZLS
Cc: ELECRAFT@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] STATUS
Hi Tony,
3.14 will be
We should remember that K3 sells globally and a transmitter which could work
outside the amateur bands might cause problems in some countries. It is my
understanding that even as things stand Thailand will not allow the use of
the K3 by their amateurs. Lets not forget that the FCC limits the
One of the complaints regarding the Orion 2 was that it took an engineer to
use it. A good friend was advised by a top operator in ARRL that he might
better consider a PRO 3 than the Orion 2 which was too complex. The idea
that the Orion 2 was to complicated is a falsehood but the rig took time
Wayne,
Oh so quickly the forecast comes true may I eat humble pie regarding the
earlier comments about features. A separate RX EQ for CW and SSB might be
really useful. I listen to CW with a low pitch close to 310 Hz and being
able to further attenuate high frequencies above 800 Hz might
Can anyone please direct me to material describing how to use a K3 and
microHam MicroKeyer II together. The MK2 is ordered with cable for the K3
but not yet delivered. I plan to purchase the second RX for the K3 this
summer but for the moment I am using a single RX. The software for
Doug EI2CN
-Original Message-
From: Joe Subich, W4TV [mailto:li...@subich.com]
Sent: 19 June 2009 03:43
To: 'Doug Turnbull'; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 use with MicroKeyer II
Can anyone please direct me to material describing how to use a
K3 and microHam
Dick,
You are so right! Elecraft has a great and unique products backed by
service which is unbeatable. It is fun to feel part of the design team!
These radios are selling world wide despite all sales being direct. I
actually feel this latter policy is an advantage as Radios in the
Bill,
What were you using for receive antennas? I think a number of us would
be interested. Just how much of an improvement do you find with diversity
reception? Is it possible to quantize? I have a second receiver on order
at this very moment and am looking forward to a new season on
I agree with Gary, it would be helpful if the settings that are proving
useful for some could be shared with all of us. Thanks, I am learning from
this thread prior to installing the software update and then installing the
sub rx. This forum is most helpful and one of the many reasons my K3
John,
Thank you for your informative e-mails. A dose of reality is no harm. I
have K3 and Orion 2 radios and like them both though the K3 is winning my
heart. The ongoing development process is fun. Keep enjoying your radios
and hope to meet you on the bands.
73 Doug
Has anyone married the three of these so that the KDVR3 is used for voice
memory rather than the MicroKeyer II. I prefer the KDVR3 to the MK II.
It would be nice to be able to use the function keys to activate the KDVR3
while connected to MK II. I do not want to be connecting and disconnecting
record on the fly with both N1MMLogger
and WinTest, but I have never tried to recall DVK's using
OPON on WinTest. It works just fine using Control-O
(callsign) on N1MM.
-lu w4lt-
K3 # 3192
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 12:35:37 +0100
From: Doug Turnbull turnb...@net1.ie
Subject: [Elecraft] KDVR3
I like to have the monitor on very low during its use as at times I have
found that:
1) The wrong button was pressed
2) With the OII on rare occasion a poor quality transmission was in progress
which I could terminate and restart overcoming the problem. Problems can
also occur with the K3.
Mike,
Another solution is to have a pair of glasses for radio use. I have
set of bifocals which are used for computer and radio with roughly a thirty
inch focal length and reading at roughly fourteen inches. I find them very
convenient in the radio shack.
73 Doug EI2CN
PS What
Dear OMs and YLs
Sometime this forum produces some fine insights and guidance. This and the
recent answers to the use of selectivity and noise controls have been
helpful. Perhaps once the K3 design stabilizes, the manual can be upgraded
to include more assistance but then I hope the K3
I love this reflector and the discussion which takes place on it. Thank
you all for this discourse. Good radio, good users and good company and we
are all learning.
73 Doug EI2CN
-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
Gentlemen,
I am getting an ERR BP2 message on my fully loaded K3 which includes a
sub receiver and one BFP3 general coverage module on the main RF board.
The firmware is the latest but this problem existed on the previous firmware
as well.
Present Firmware Loaded:
MCU 03.97
FDF
John,
This is an interesting piece. I note that at the start of the TSA
notice that it specifically mentions Lithium Ion batteries. Does this mean
that a package of Alkaline batteries with which the battery terminals are
covered with plastic or pasteboard as originally purchased would be
Gentlemen,
I recently wrote if asking for help regarding an error message ERR
BP2 which indicates a KBF3, General Coverage Option problem. There was
nothing wrong with the K3; it was my fault entirely. Not having used the
KBF3 in two months I forgot that it was in my case located in the
Oh to wake up on a Sunday morning and be so happy. My P3 is on order and I
know that it was right to have ordered. Users are finding the P3 does more
than originally expected and we now have another Elecraft Design Engineer,
N1AL communicating with us! No wonder there is a growing Elecraft
Dear Friends,
Surely one can understand a small group of people being used as Alpha
not Beta testers. The problems for Elecraft could become excessive if
every partially developed change was released onto the rest of us. The
testers are not limited to W land, I know that Brendan Minish in
Richard and fellows,
I too have not experienced the drop in SSB output. I am still using
version 4.17. There is probably more to this problem than is immediately
obvious and for that matter I wonder if the original Alpha testers ever
experience the difficulty in the original testing.
Eric and Wayne,
You are tops and I and many more expect problems with development
firmware. Thank you for your Trojan efforts!
73 Doug EI2CN
-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Eric Swartz
Hi All,
This is an aspect of the Orion II which beats the present K3. When one
tunes the VFO the display remains steady for a period of time and the cursor
moves across a frozen display in sync with the VFO. Once one stops tuning
the VFO the display is no longer frozen. It does help in
It is handy in the event that the wrong message is being sent to interrupt
and over ride using voice input just as it is useful to be able to interrupt
a CW message with a simple tap of the paddle. I find this especially true
in contests. However the point about taking a slurp of coffee is a
Mike,
What sounds good seems to be very personal. When I use to monitor the
TT web site there were those who were critical of the OII sound. We are
all different. I go for a very low tone on CW of 320 Hz others prefer 500
to 600 Hz. I would say that the K3 is an excellent value radio
These tutorial meetings could be organized locally by clubs or groups of
users on an ad hoc basis. Good documentation is still needed though as
many live in distant parts and the class just held will do the fellow who
purchases two months later no good at all. Documentation is always there
to
Would it be possible to allow an option where two of the memories might be
combined to give a 20 second period with only one button being pressed to play
back. I am fortunate here to have 15 second memory and so it is not a problem
for me. The K3 is much better than my other rig with built
Kjeld,
I used a table away from electrical appliances and covered it with tin
or aluminum foil. I had an antistatic wrist strap which I connected to
this large piece of foil and worked in this manner. Ideally you would
connect the foil to a ground through a 1 MegOhm resistor. Note I did
Arie,
You are right and you may be sure he will probably change his rig some
day and then some people will go into a funk. Previously ON4UN used two
Orion II radios and there was much bragging on the TenTec site. He
certainly changed to the K3 but what next. Everyone makes their own
Brendan,
I agree with you entirely regarding the appendage /QRP. It is a pain
in the ass and I do not like needing to add it to my log. If I go QRP and
I am thinking of it the difference is that I have good antennas. Some less
fortunate hams are very limited in their antennas and operate
The MFJ 259B antenna analyzer is a pretty good piece of equipment and God
Bless them MFJ also sells some useful components. I wonder if HyGain would
be around at all if not for them. I am glad that MFJ is with us and feel
they would be sorely missed if they should ever disappear.
I believe Stewart has two good suggestions. Let me also say that I am very
pleased with the latest changes to the P3 firmware. I often use my P3 on TB
to find a clear spot in the frequency range of those calling a DX station
during split operation. Sometimes I place myself on the very edge
James and other K3 users,
There is one other advantage of the kit. Having assembled the radio
one has a better idea as to how to install future hardware modifications or
additions. It may be a small advantage but I believe it is a real one.
73 Doug EI2CN
-Original
Ken,
I am in EI land and it has been my experience that Elecraft ships larger
more expensive items to EI by UPS but that if you ask, they may then send
smaller items by post and it then arrives by post.
I am not referring to Elecraft in this paragraph but it is not uncommon
for Nevada
Jim,
I suppose we are all so use to the extraordinary service given by
Elecraft that sometimes we get greedy. This company is not going to be
equaled and it seems the good Elecrafter people like the chatter from their
customers.
I am very much looking forward to the P3 but can well
People,
Two years ago I flew from JFK to Dublin with an Icom 7400 in my checked
suitcase and there was absolutely no issue in either JFK or Dublin. I have
even flown back to Ireland from JFK with a chainsaw in my luggage and there
was no problem. In this latter case I told them at check in
Barry, Sorry but what do you mean by 'high isolation headphones'. Would
the Heil Pro-Set Plus do?
73 Doug EI2CN
-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Barry N1EU
Sent: 07 February 2010 01:01
To:
Hi All,
First off I was never on CB but came into ham radio the Novice route in
1960 I am just as pleased that the FCC tries to some degree to police what
can be put on eleven meters. Having said this, please let us remember that
many very good people have come into Ham Radio from the CB
Wayne and Eric,
You are both smart engineers and business men. Survey your market
before you manufacture high power amplifiers with an associated high cost.
There are plenty of amplifiers on the market new and old which do exactly
what is needed and interfacing is not such a problem. No
I wonder what true compatibility is. An amplifier either works well with
the K3 or it does not. I know that both Acom 1000 and Acom 2000A work
perfectly with the K3. Interfacing an amplifier is not such a big deal
with the K3. Of course some of our fellows have questions from time to
time
Hector,
This is really useful and I hope Eric does put a link to your video on
the Elecraft web site. Well done to both yourself and Eric. The P3 looks
useful to me.
73 Doug EI2CN
You can see easier and faster the P3 video at Orlando hamfest at this
italian DX website
Bob and co,
I ordered my DSP Upgrade board sometime before Christmas and expected it
within three weeks but it took more like seven weeks. I have since
received the DSP Upgrade board installed it and returned mine within a week
but of course it will take another week to reach Aptos. The
Hi Eric and Elecrafters,
I have just installed my second RX with the KBPF3. I am just now
listening to the shortwave broadcast bands and using the 13 KHz NBFM filter
and 6 kHz AM filter am surprised at how good the radio does with a pair of
micro KLH HiFi Speakers for SWLing. This is not
Dunc,
Everything is relative and boy can I appreciate your joy with the old
HRO. There was a good bit to be said for the Novice Class license. I
remember in 1960 operating with a military surplus RBG2 (Super Pro) and TCS
crystal controlled in my case tank transmitter. My father(later
Phil,
I agree with your desire to keep my K3 PC free. I do contest and use
WinTest which is a great help but my normal log is paper and all contest
logs are printed out before placing them in a binder. A good friend of
mine almost gave up the hobby because he could no longer access his HDD
Dear OMs,
I can not understand why one would want to run the K3 at 100 W rather
than 20/30/50 Watts. Why drive the K3 harder when driving it more lightly
should improve reliability and possibly improve linearity. The waste of
energy is also undesirable; the fifty watts out that is
Hi,
The know does look and sound nice but oh such an expense. The Scottish
blood in my veins is turning cold. One should always question; will the
encoder and its bearings take this added weight for ten years. How much of
a pain will it be to replace the encoder in the future? The
Tastes vary, the subject is to do with Elecraft products and we have a
delete keys. In time the thread will terminate.
73 Doug EI2CN
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Just back from Deyton and solving problems for the amazing group of high
speed CW ops. Behold for you will not find this attention anywhere else.
Thanks Doug EI2CN
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 1:01 AM, Wayne Burdick n...@elecraft.com wrote:
I'm working on a new QRQ CW mode
Gentlemen,
The macro key pad sounds useful but a simple box replicating the five/seven
button memory switches would be useful for contesting and general operating
I love the built in DVK and Morse memory. Whatever happens the memory
switches should be so located as to be easy to find in the
James,
You state this very well. Competition is good and sooner or later
someone will produce a better radio than the K3. Many K3 users would like
different emphasis in areas of design but then come to realize that we would
probably miss some of the current features such as portability.
Sam,
When this topic was previously discussed I saw mention of Extreme
Isolation EX 29 headphones which provide:
1) Good noise suppression (29 dB or nearly a factor of 1000 at 1000 Hz) so
you can keep the volume down and not hear your station's fans or the TV in
the next room.
2) Comfort
It will be good to see Eric at Friedrichshafen. In the case of Elecraft, I
would purchase a cap if available. Now I can see the P3, which has already
been ordered.
73 Doug EI2CN
PS
1) It will be possible to take FCC exams on Saturday at Friedrichshafen.
2) I plan to be there
Radio Shack sells two reasonably small stereo speakers. They are black and
have the name AUVIO or KLH on them. The dimensions are 4.75W x 7.5H x 4
deep. They match well with the K3 and are moderately priced. They match
well to the K3 and sound great to me.I have two sets of these for
Hi All,
I am having some difficultly in updating my P3 firmware.P3 Utility
1.12.4.26 is installed but when I check for new Firmware Available I am told
they are:
MCU 01.13
SVGA 01.02
FPGA0 01.02
FPGA1 01.02
FPGA2 01.02
FPGA3 01.02
FPGA4 01.02
And that these are already installed.
HI All,
What do they say in the song, No one does it better. Thank you
Elecraft, this is why so many of us are rabidly happy about your product.
It helps to have hams running the company which engineers ham radio only.
73 Doug EI2CN
-Original Message-
From:
Would it help to increase the delay in transmitting, CW rise time? I know
there are products available from a few sources which introduce an extra
delay between TX and RX to overcome your situation. With My K3 and
inverted L the separation of K9AY and inverted L is greater than yours but
not
Eric indicated in a previous post that Elecraft were aware of the decoding
problem and that it would be fixed in a future upgrade. It seemed that for
many people the improvement to AGC out weighs the loss of decoding. Perhaps
with the note explaining what the update accomplished a warning about
Bill,
I wonder if the Elecraft K3 has the I/O signals to easily implement a
remote head. This is a feature which has been requested in the past and I
think that Elecraft even had a prototype at one time but it died a death -
could be wrong on this last point.I too have hoped for this
-
From: Mark Bayern [mailto:plcm...@gmail.com]
Sent: 27 July 2012 13:14
To: Doug Turnbull
Cc: Bill; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - remote control head
How about: http://www.elecraft.com/K3-Remote/k3_remote.htm ? Uses
an Ethernet connection between the remote
Fred,
You are right but small is beautiful. This is a dream or wish and I can
understand. The wee KX1 sure does look like fun. The Kx3 is incredible
and thanks be for the K3! Now for the remoter operators who would love
remote P3 capabilities; well the list goes on. A bit of the Dear
Hi OMs
Yes and thank you France for your much needed help. The closest
relationship is with the UK but you saved our bacon besides we rather like
the Statue of Liberty.
Peace and 73 Doug EI2CN, KC1AV ex K4WQZ, W1CGG
-Original Message-
From:
: [Elecraft] 4th of July
The French saw something in us then that we no longer recognize in
ourselves.
If the British had had their way, we'd probably all be drinking better
beer, though.
Eric
KE6US
On 7/4/2013 1:31 AM, Doug Turnbull wrote:
Hi OMs
Yes and thank you France for your much
Dear OMs and Yls,
Okay the subject line is rather hoaky but I write to tell you that
a wet string sometimes works.Brought up in the sixties on radio, I
remember the bunkum adverts for the Gotham Vertical. Two months ago I
worked a South Carolina station using a KX3 and AlexLoop inside
Mike,
I bet the equipment is donated and besides these non-USA manufacturers
have been advertising and thus supporting the league for many years.They
also make good gear but remember that there are one hell of a lot of K3, K2
and KX3 radios being used outside North America. Our hobby is
Dear OMs and Yls,
DSP helps us all but the analogue side of electronics will be with us
for some time. Audio and RF are both analogue signals Amplifiers are
needed and amplifiers often benefit from some filtering.The DAC and ADC
are of course both digital and analogue.What we want
Dear OMs and Yls,
I just took delivery of a KX1 purchased used. I am most impressed with
the small radio and have now made four QSOs with fellow EUs running 4 Watts
to a 4 el SteppIR at 24M. Well the test will come when I change over to a
hank of wire operated against a counterpoise. The
wasn't available then), and is an excellent performer, nearly
indestructible and packs very small. They make a mount to put it on the
KX1, but I find a paddle bolted to a rig to be too inflexible for
comfortable operating.
Eric
KE6US
On 9/7/2013 4:09 AM, Doug Turnbull wrote:
Dear OMs and Yls
the
KXPD1. 73 Doug EI2CN and thank you again.
-Original Message-
From: Donald Butler [mailto:n...@comcast.net]
Sent: 07 September 2013 20:01
To: 'Doug Turnbull'; 'EricJ'; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] [KX1] paddle question
I think we often become much too critical
Gary,
I have a KX3 and KX1 and have operated both portable from Connecticut
and from home in EI using this antenna on CW.I have spanned the ocean in
both directions while operating with the antenna inside the shack. This is
a thrill every time. What I find good about the AlexLoop is
require some effort.
73 Doug EI2CN
P.S. QRP with my 4 element SteppIR at 24M / 80 feet is not the same as QRP
with an Alex Loop and 5 Watts.
_
From: David Christ [mailto:radio...@mchsi.com]
Sent: 03 November 2013 20:14
To: Doug Turnbull
Cc: Elecraft
Poul-Erik,
I shipping costs in the EU are in many countries pretty excessive -
costs are not the same in each of our individual countries. I do not think
Elecraft could so easily make an open ended commitment in the EU. I am
sure that stateside they have an agreement with UPS and this
Rob,
Thanks for the heads up. I ordered one for a friend today. Fred's K3
book is $28.92 including shipping to EI.I consider this pretty good
value. The price of the book has I think increased but Fred has done a
good job.
The KX3 book is also most useful and a handy
Dear OM Poul Erik,
This would increase costs for Elecraft in dealing with Europe and
therefore need to result in higher sales price. Elecraft prices are not
exorbitant. They do not use a dealer network. If you purchase from a
dealer in the UK the rule of thumb is your price in Pounds
Friends,
These approvals: CE, UL, FCC and JARD all cost money to obtain. There
is some redundancy between them and type approvals can be used as barriers
to free trade. Standards are needed but when each nation has its own then
it is expensive and time consuming for a small manufacturer to
Ken and Eric,
This encoder looks good but lacks buttons for activating the CW/SSB
memories which for me is the biggest advantage of a remote pod. I use
these memories all the time in normal operation as they save time, effort
and voice. A pod would be much easier to access than the small
Hi All,
No criticism of Elecraft as I am a convert to the K3 but building your
own means home brew not building a kit. Heathkits, were always fun and yes
you learned something from the step by step assembly but never so much as
you learned from scrounging exchange parts, laying out the
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