Re: [Elecraft] OT: WWV/WWVH Closure

2018-08-21 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
As noted in my prior email - This thread was closed yesterday. 73, Eric /elecraft.com/ On 8/21/2018 10:57 AM, Lee Ormiston wrote: The cesium and iridium clocks at National Institute of Standards and Technology through WWV and WWVH broadcasts, provide the time signals to the Global Positioning

Re: [Elecraft] OT: WWV/WWVH Closure

2018-08-21 Thread Lee Ormiston
The cesium and iridium clocks at National Institute of Standards and Technology through WWV and WWVH broadcasts, provide the time signals to the Global Positioning System satellites which without time signals to the Wide Area Augmentation system from WWV & WWVH are not accurate for navigation

Re: [Elecraft] OT: WWV/WWVH Closure

2018-08-21 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
Folks - this thread was already closed. Please no more WWV posts. 73, Eric Moderator, COO, etc. /elecraft.com/ On 8/21/2018 9:05 AM, K2bew wrote: Sorry don't agree at all. Emergency communications when everything is down and people need help is not comparable to a transmitter that puts out the

Re: [Elecraft] OT: WWV/WWVH Closure

2018-08-21 Thread K2bew
Sorry don't agree at all. Emergency communications when everything is down and people need help is not comparable to a transmitter that puts out the time according to an atomic clock over radio. You can always use a sundial, and knowing the time to the second is not necessary in an emergency. Tom

Re: [Elecraft] OT: WWV/WWVH Closure

2018-08-20 Thread K2bew
I don't think John was implying people didn't have or use wwv clocks, but that's it not a reason by itself for WWV, and I agree with him. Why pay thousands of dollars to staff and run wwv just for clocks and stuff? With the internet and phones that use data and or GPS satellites to constantly

Re: [Elecraft] OT: WWV/WWVH Closure

2018-08-20 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
Folks - Please see my prior posts. The WWV thread has been closed. Eric Moderator /elecraft.com/ On 8/20/2018 11:43 AM, Phil Kane wrote: On 8/20/2018 9:10 AM, John Harper wrote: The clock/watch argument in the age of GPS, network and cellular time sync is a valid argument only to geeks, of

Re: [Elecraft] OT: WWV/WWVH Closure

2018-08-20 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
Folks - please see my earlier post. The WWV thread has been closed. 73, Eric Moderator /elecraft.com/ On 8/20/2018 11:41 AM, Mike Maloney wrote: Dual 35kW ERP synchronous transmitters and antennas for 70kW ERP at 60kHz.   Short (for 5km wavelength!) 4x400 ft quad towers that support top hat. 

Re: [Elecraft] OT: WWV/WWVH Closure

2018-08-20 Thread Phil Kane
On 8/20/2018 9:10 AM, John Harper wrote: > The clock/watch argument in the age of GPS, network and cellular time > sync is a valid argument only to geeks, of which I am one, thanks (in > part) to my Casio watch. Neither GPS signals nor the 60 kHz WWVB signal are receivable inside my apartment

Re: [Elecraft] OT: WWV/WWVH Closure

2018-08-20 Thread Mike Maloney
Dual 35kW ERP synchronous transmitters and antennas for 70kW ERP at 60kHz.   Short (for 5km wavelength!) 4x400 ft quad towers that support top hat.  Center connected cable is main radiator.    Hard to see getting 35kW ERP out of 100kW transmitter at 5000 meter wavelength for such a short stub

Re: [Elecraft] OT: WWV/WWVH Closure

2018-08-20 Thread Wayne Burdick
Hi Roger, I spent most of my 4-year USCG career on LORAN-C related activities. 6 months ET school at Governor's Island, a year at the monitor station in Bermuda (yeah, that was tough) and finally two years at the engineering center in Wildwood, NJ (even tougher :) I really despised the

Re: [Elecraft] OT: WWV/WWVH Closure

2018-08-20 Thread Roger D Johnson
Ah! LORAN C. I remember it well. Roger CWO4, USCG (retired) On 8/20/2018 12:54 PM, Rose wrote: Trivia .. The last I knew the WWVB transmitter is a "repurposed" 100KW LORAN C TX from the closed site in ND. 73! K0PP __ Elecraft

Re: [Elecraft] OT: WWV/WWVH Closure

2018-08-20 Thread Fred Jensen
I doubt that.  LORAN A and C were pulse systems with high peak power [some LORAN C stations fed over a megawatt peak to the antenna], but the average power was much lower.  Before LORAN C's demise, a handful of stations were fitted with Accufix transmitters by Megapulse Corporation ... no

Re: [Elecraft] OT: WWV/WWVH Closure

2018-08-20 Thread Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT
I think the millions of people who bought "atomic clocks" with no technical background, no idea of how they set themselves would disagree. ... but only once they realize their "atomic clocks" are far less accurate. The technology is attractive. You put in a battery, set the time zone and it

[Elecraft] OT: WWV/WWVH Closure

2018-08-20 Thread Rose
Trivia .. The last I knew the WWVB transmitter is a "repurposed" 100KW LORAN C TX from the closed site in ND. 73! K0PP On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 10:45 AM, Charlie T wrote: > Yeah, I'd miss them, BUT, my little Elecraft hand-held XG3 sig gen is > pretty > handy for that too . > > Also, I

Re: [Elecraft] OT: WWV/WWVH Closure

2018-08-20 Thread John Harper
I'm wearing an "atomic watch" as we speak and have two such clocks as well. A few years ago I had a 4:3 Sony Trinitron tv. It was obsoleted by newer better technology and I now have a 16:9 ratio TV just like you do. The clock/watch argument in the age of GPS, network and cellular time sync is a

[Elecraft] OT: WWV/WWVH Closure

2018-08-20 Thread Ken G Kopp
John, you're simply incorrect. Our house has a number of WWVB synched clocks, as do many, many thousands of others. On Mon, Aug 20, 2018, 09:41 John Harper wrote: > Yes. > https://www.qrp-labs.com/clockn.html > > https://www.runnersworld.com/gear/a20827055/advanced-gps-watches-for-runners/ > >