subject:"\[Elecraft\] OT\: WWV\/WWVH Closure"

Re: [Elecraft] OT: WWV/WWVH Closure

2018-08-21 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft


As noted in my prior email - This thread was closed yesterday.

73,
Eric
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On 8/21/2018 10:57 AM, Lee Ormiston wrote:

The cesium and iridium clocks at National Institute of Standards and
Technology through WWV and WWVH broadcasts, provide the time signals to the
Global Positioning System satellites which without time signals to the Wide
Area Augmentation system from WWV & WWVH are not accurate for navigation
purposes.  The  WWV and WWVH broadcasts also provide the time signals for
satellites and space probes.

These signals also provide the time stability for all the Joe Taylor
communication modes.

The bit about my $30 wrist watch being incredibly accurate is not important
in the grand scheme of things.

73 Lee
NORRL

On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 10:05 AM, K2bew  wrote:


Sorry don't agree at all. Emergency communications when everything is down
and people need help is not comparable to a transmitter that puts out the
time according to an atomic clock over radio. You can always use a sundial,
and knowing the time to the second is not necessary in an emergency.
Tom

On Tue, Aug 21, 2018, 9:43 AM Phil Kane  wrote:


On 8/20/2018 7:16 PM, K2bew wrote:


With the internet and phones that use data and or GPS satellites to
constantly synch time more effectively than radio sygnals it does
seem crazy to fund it.

This is the same sort of argument that some folks in the Emergency
Management community raise - why do we need radios when we have cell
phones and the internet.  That assumes that the internet and the
cell-phone infrastructure that depends on same will exist when the chips
are down.

I remember being in the studios of a major AM radio station when the
corporate auditor told the chief engineer "this could be a very
profitable operation if we could get rid of this thing called the
transmitter".  (Rest in peace, Howie)

I would suspect that the incremental cost of running WWV and WWVH -
which are mostly "set and forget" operations - is of the same order of
magnitude as the paper towel and toilet paper bill for that agency.

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

 From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon


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Re: [Elecraft] OT: WWV/WWVH Closure

2018-08-21 Thread Lee Ormiston

The cesium and iridium clocks at National Institute of Standards and
Technology through WWV and WWVH broadcasts, provide the time signals to the
Global Positioning System satellites which without time signals to the Wide
Area Augmentation system from WWV & WWVH are not accurate for navigation
purposes.  The  WWV and WWVH broadcasts also provide the time signals for
satellites and space probes.

These signals also provide the time stability for all the Joe Taylor
communication modes.

The bit about my $30 wrist watch being incredibly accurate is not important
in the grand scheme of things.

73 Lee
NORRL

On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 10:05 AM, K2bew  wrote:

> Sorry don't agree at all. Emergency communications when everything is down
> and people need help is not comparable to a transmitter that puts out the
> time according to an atomic clock over radio. You can always use a sundial,
> and knowing the time to the second is not necessary in an emergency.
> Tom
>
> On Tue, Aug 21, 2018, 9:43 AM Phil Kane  wrote:
>
> > On 8/20/2018 7:16 PM, K2bew wrote:
> >
> > > With the internet and phones that use data and or GPS satellites to
> > > constantly synch time more effectively than radio sygnals it does
> > > seem crazy to fund it.
> >
> > This is the same sort of argument that some folks in the Emergency
> > Management community raise - why do we need radios when we have cell
> > phones and the internet.  That assumes that the internet and the
> > cell-phone infrastructure that depends on same will exist when the chips
> > are down.
> >
> > I remember being in the studios of a major AM radio station when the
> > corporate auditor told the chief engineer "this could be a very
> > profitable operation if we could get rid of this thing called the
> > transmitter".  (Rest in peace, Howie)
> >
> > I would suspect that the incremental cost of running WWV and WWVH -
> > which are mostly "set and forget" operations - is of the same order of
> > magnitude as the paper towel and toilet paper bill for that agency.
> >
> > 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
> > Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402
> >
> > From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
> > Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon
> >
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: WWV/WWVH Closure

2018-08-21 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft


Folks - this thread was already closed. Please no more WWV posts.

73,
Eric
Moderator, COO, etc.
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On 8/21/2018 9:05 AM, K2bew wrote:

Sorry don't agree at all. Emergency communications when everything is down
and people need help is not comparable to a transmitter that puts out the
time according to an atomic clock over radio. You can always use a sundial,
and knowing the time to the second is not necessary in an emergency.
Tom




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Re: [Elecraft] OT: WWV/WWVH Closure

2018-08-21 Thread K2bew

Sorry don't agree at all. Emergency communications when everything is down
and people need help is not comparable to a transmitter that puts out the
time according to an atomic clock over radio. You can always use a sundial,
and knowing the time to the second is not necessary in an emergency.
Tom

On Tue, Aug 21, 2018, 9:43 AM Phil Kane  wrote:

> On 8/20/2018 7:16 PM, K2bew wrote:
>
> > With the internet and phones that use data and or GPS satellites to
> > constantly synch time more effectively than radio sygnals it does
> > seem crazy to fund it.
>
> This is the same sort of argument that some folks in the Emergency
> Management community raise - why do we need radios when we have cell
> phones and the internet.  That assumes that the internet and the
> cell-phone infrastructure that depends on same will exist when the chips
> are down.
>
> I remember being in the studios of a major AM radio station when the
> corporate auditor told the chief engineer "this could be a very
> profitable operation if we could get rid of this thing called the
> transmitter".  (Rest in peace, Howie)
>
> I would suspect that the incremental cost of running WWV and WWVH -
> which are mostly "set and forget" operations - is of the same order of
> magnitude as the paper towel and toilet paper bill for that agency.
>
> 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
> Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402
>
> From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
> Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon
>
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: WWV/WWVH Closure

2018-08-20 Thread K2bew

I don't think John was implying people didn't have or use wwv clocks, but
that's it not a reason by itself for WWV, and I agree with him. Why pay
thousands of dollars to staff and run wwv just for clocks and stuff? With
the internet and phones that use data and or GPS satellites to constantly
synch time more effectively than radio sygnals it does seem crazy to fund
it. Not to mention that Canada has the equivalent already in CHU.
Tom, k2bew


On Mon, Aug 20, 2018, 11:51 AM Ken G Kopp  wrote:

> John, you're simply incorrect.  Our house has a number of WWVB synched
> clocks, as do many, many thousands of others.
>
> On Mon, Aug 20, 2018, 09:41 John Harper  wrote:
>
> > Yes.
> > https://www.qrp-labs.com/clockn.html
> >
> >
> https://www.runnersworld.com/gear/a20827055/advanced-gps-watches-for-runners/
> >
> > and more.
> >
> > Watches and clocks as "justification" for continued WWV broadcasts is
> > laughable.
> >
> > John AE5X
> > https://ae5x.blogspot.com
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 10:36 AM Dr. William J. Schmidt <
> > b...@wjschmidt.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Well let's start with all of those self-setting watches and wall
> > clocks...
> > > and then the propagation information that is broadcast.  Does GPS do
> > that?
> > >
> > >
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> > > -Original Message-
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> > > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 10:33 AM
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> > > Subject: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure
> > >
> > > What is the justification for continued funding of WWV? Hasn't it been
> > > obsoleted (if that's a verb) by GPS as far as being a time and freq
> > > standard?
> > >
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: WWV/WWVH Closure

2018-08-20 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft


Folks -
Please see my prior posts. The WWV thread has been closed.

Eric
Moderator
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On 8/20/2018 11:43 AM, Phil Kane wrote:

On 8/20/2018 9:10 AM, John Harper wrote:


The clock/watch argument in the age of GPS, network and cellular time
sync is a valid argument only to geeks, of which I am one, thanks (in
part) to my Casio watch.

Neither GPS signals nor the 60 kHz WWVB signal are receivable inside my
apartment (yes, I tried).  I briefly looked into a wall clock that used
an Ethernet connection to a NTP time server and had the look of what I
wanted but the cost of the clock approached the cost of the computer
that it would talk to.

Back to not-all-that-obsolete quartz regulated clocks and watches that
need readjustment from time to time.  That's where the analog WWV signal
is essential.

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

 From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: WWV/WWVH Closure

2018-08-20 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft


Folks - please see my earlier post. The WWV thread has been closed.

73,
Eric
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On 8/20/2018 11:41 AM, Mike Maloney wrote:

Dual 35kW ERP synchronous transmitters and antennas for 70kW ERP at 60kHz.   
Short (for 5km wavelength!) 4x400 ft quad towers that support top hat.  Center 
connected cable is main radiator.    Hard to see getting 35kW ERP out of 100kW 
transmitter at 5000 meter wavelength for such a short stub antenna?   Pattern 
coverage at night is amazing.  Serious copper and currents in loading coil and 
ground grid!  The AC station service transformer is 500KVA.    Info from NIST 
web page.  Interesting stuff.
Mike AC5P

 On Monday, August 20, 2018 12:57 PM, Roger D Johnson  
wrote:
  


  Ah! LORAN C. I remember it well.

Roger CWO4, USCG (retired)


On 8/20/2018 12:54 PM, Rose wrote:

Trivia ..

The last I knew the WWVB transmitter is a "repurposed" 100KW
LORAN C TX from the closed site in ND.

73!

K0PP

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Re: [Elecraft] OT: WWV/WWVH Closure

2018-08-20 Thread Phil Kane

On 8/20/2018 9:10 AM, John Harper wrote:

> The clock/watch argument in the age of GPS, network and cellular time
> sync is a valid argument only to geeks, of which I am one, thanks (in
> part) to my Casio watch.

Neither GPS signals nor the 60 kHz WWVB signal are receivable inside my
apartment (yes, I tried).  I briefly looked into a wall clock that used
an Ethernet connection to a NTP time server and had the look of what I
wanted but the cost of the clock approached the cost of the computer
that it would talk to.

Back to not-all-that-obsolete quartz regulated clocks and watches that
need readjustment from time to time.  That's where the analog WWV signal
is essential.

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

>From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: WWV/WWVH Closure

2018-08-20 Thread Mike Maloney

Dual 35kW ERP synchronous transmitters and antennas for 70kW ERP at 60kHz.   
Short (for 5km wavelength!) 4x400 ft quad towers that support top hat.  Center 
connected cable is main radiator.    Hard to see getting 35kW ERP out of 100kW 
transmitter at 5000 meter wavelength for such a short stub antenna?   Pattern 
coverage at night is amazing.  Serious copper and currents in loading coil and 
ground grid!  The AC station service transformer is 500KVA.    Info from NIST 
web page.  Interesting stuff.   
Mike AC5P 

On Monday, August 20, 2018 12:57 PM, Roger D Johnson  
wrote:

 Ah! LORAN C. I remember it well.

Roger CWO4, USCG (retired)

On 8/20/2018 12:54 PM, Rose wrote:
> Trivia ..
>
> The last I knew the WWVB transmitter is a "repurposed" 100KW
> LORAN C TX from the closed site in ND.
>
> 73!
>
> K0PP
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: WWV/WWVH Closure

2018-08-20 Thread Wayne Burdick

Hi Roger,

I spent most of my 4-year USCG career on LORAN-C related activities. 6 months 
ET school at Governor's Island, a year at the monitor station in Bermuda (yeah, 
that was tough) and finally two years at the engineering center in Wildwood, NJ 
(even tougher :)

I really despised the resolver/servo-driven LORAN receivers. But I did love the 
HP9825 "calculator" that the lieutenant installed early in my stay at Bermuda. 
This thing calibrated the entire U.S. east coast LORAN-C chain, entering phase 
corrections for atmospheric distortion automatically, replacing manual methods. 

Of course the '9825 was too cool to be left to this menial task. So every night 
when I was on mid watch, I would stop the silly LORAN program, teach myself 
HPL, then write my own programs. I made the phase corrections manually at such 
times. 

The lieutenant returned a few months later and was not pleased to see the 
apparent failure of his software. But meanwhile I'd become the local expert on 
the '9825, called upon to fix it when it broke, so he forgave me. He also 
recommended my transfer to the Wildwood engineering center at the end of my 
Bermuda year, which was an excellent result because one usually got rotated to 
the Aleutian Islands after being at a desired station Wildwood was great, 
too. Lots of fun R by day, partying by night.

By the way, this is ridiculously OT. My apologies in advance to Eric, who will 
now shut me down :)

Wayne

> On Aug 20, 2018, at 10:57 AM, Roger D Johnson  wrote:
> 
> Ah! LORAN C. I remember it well.
> 
> Roger CWO4, USCG (retired)
> 
> 
> On 8/20/2018 12:54 PM, Rose wrote:
>> Trivia ..
>> 
>> The last I knew the WWVB transmitter is a "repurposed" 100KW
>> LORAN C TX from the closed site in ND.
>> 
>> 73!
>> 
>> K0PP

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Re: [Elecraft] OT: WWV/WWVH Closure

2018-08-20 Thread Roger D Johnson


Ah! LORAN C. I remember it well.

Roger CWO4, USCG (retired)


On 8/20/2018 12:54 PM, Rose wrote:

Trivia ..

The last I knew the WWVB transmitter is a "repurposed" 100KW
LORAN C TX from the closed site in ND.

73!

K0PP

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Re: [Elecraft] OT: WWV/WWVH Closure

2018-08-20 Thread Fred Jensen

I doubt that.  LORAN A and C were pulse systems with high peak power 
[some LORAN C stations fed over a megawatt peak to the antenna], but the 
average power was much lower.  Before LORAN C's demise, a handful of 
stations were fitted with Accufix transmitters by Megapulse Corporation 
... no tubes, no oscillators, no amplifiers ... just a highly 
technologically advanced spark gap transmitter.


The NIST description for WWVB is found at 
 
Briefly, 2 transmitters feeding two capacity-loaded monopoles about 850 
m apart.  Combined fwd power is about 100 KW.  One of the antennas was 
originally used for WWVL on 20 KHz [decommissioned in the 70's].


There is some confusion regarding rumors of the demise of WWV/WWVH ... 
and maybe WWVB:


1.  Congress, not the White House, appropriates $$ to government 
agencies.  The House and Senate are said by an ARRL Director to have 
passed their bills and they are now in or about to be in conference 
committee.  It appears they both appropriate substantially more than 
NIST requested, and their numbers are moderately close so reconciliation 
in conference is likely.


2.  There is the internal NIST budgetary document that started all the 
rumors.


3.  NIST is planning a "Grand Celebration" for the 100th birthday of WWV 
in Oct 2019 [presumably without a military parade].  WWV is said to be 
the oldest continuously operating radio station in the US.


Confusing indeed.  This could all be similar to the rumor rampant on the 
I'net a decade or so ago about not flying between some dates in August 
because the GPS Week Number was about to overflow its word length, 
rolling over to zero, and airplanes would be falling out of the sky.  
The Week Nr did overflow, but no airplanes are known to have plummeted 
to Earth.


More Trivia:  In the very early days of WWV, the time signals were in 
Morse code.  [I remember in the early 50's they were too, in Eastern 
Time].  WWV also broadcast farm reports and news ... using Morse code.  
I had no idea the wheat, corn, and soybean farmers of the day  could 
copy the code.


73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 8/20/2018 9:54 AM, Rose wrote:

Trivia ..

The last I knew the WWVB transmitter is a "repurposed" 100KW
LORAN C TX from the closed site in ND.

73!

K0PP



On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 10:45 AM, Charlie T  wrote:


Yeah, I'd miss them, BUT, my little Elecraft hand-held XG3 sig gen is
pretty
handy for that too .

Also, I don't believe funding for the 60kHz sig was ever at risk and THAT's
what your (antique) watch uses.

73, Charlie k3ICH




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Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 11:53 AM
To: Elecraft Reflector 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure

Personal note

Ever since I home-brewed my first receiver when I was 15, I've used WWV at
multiple frequencies as a source of reliable on-air test signals.

My early receivers used simple direct-conversion schemes based on JFETs
(remember the MPF102?). Get the details wrong, and you'd hear WWV whether
you were tuned to it or not, thanks to what I now know was IP2 (AM
breakthrough). Do it right, and you'd be rewarded with those undulating
time-tones: minimalist, almost musical. Something Phillip Glass would pipe
into his sensory-deprevation tank. Oh, and you could set your watch to it.

These days I still tune into WWV to check VFO calibration, set clocks in
the
field, and get an approximation of the MUF (Maximum usable frequency). When
propagation is good, even the 20.00 MHz signal soars across the aether,
a faithful and tireless chronological savant.

Losing it would be a tragedy, but a nerdy one, not Greek.

Wayne
N6KR

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Re: [Elecraft] OT: WWV/WWVH Closure

2018-08-20 Thread Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT

I think the millions of people who bought "atomic clocks" with no 
technical background, no idea of how they set themselves would disagree.


... but only once they realize their "atomic clocks" are far less accurate.

The technology is attractive.  You put in a battery, set the time zone 
and it just works.


GPS clocks may need a clear view of the sky, and anything using network 
time will need to connect to your LAN.


Much harder to set up.

73 -- Lynn

On 8/20/2018 9:10 AM, John Harper wrote:

The
clock/watch argument in the age of GPS, network and cellular time sync is a
valid argument only to geeks, of which I am one, thanks (in part) to my
Casio watch.

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[Elecraft] OT: WWV/WWVH Closure

2018-08-20 Thread Rose

Trivia ..

The last I knew the WWVB transmitter is a "repurposed" 100KW
LORAN C TX from the closed site in ND.

73!

K0PP



On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 10:45 AM, Charlie T  wrote:

> Yeah, I'd miss them, BUT, my little Elecraft hand-held XG3 sig gen is
> pretty
> handy for that too .
>
> Also, I don't believe funding for the 60kHz sig was ever at risk and THAT's
> what your (antique) watch uses.
>
> 73, Charlie k3ICH
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
> On
> Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 11:53 AM
> To: Elecraft Reflector 
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure
>
> Personal note
>
> Ever since I home-brewed my first receiver when I was 15, I've used WWV at
> multiple frequencies as a source of reliable on-air test signals.
>
> My early receivers used simple direct-conversion schemes based on JFETs
> (remember the MPF102?). Get the details wrong, and you'd hear WWV whether
> you were tuned to it or not, thanks to what I now know was IP2 (AM
> breakthrough). Do it right, and you'd be rewarded with those undulating
> time-tones: minimalist, almost musical. Something Phillip Glass would pipe
> into his sensory-deprevation tank. Oh, and you could set your watch to it.
>
> These days I still tune into WWV to check VFO calibration, set clocks in
> the
> field, and get an approximation of the MUF (Maximum usable frequency). When
> propagation is good, even the 20.00 MHz signal soars across the aether,
> a faithful and tireless chronological savant.
>
> Losing it would be a tragedy, but a nerdy one, not Greek.
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: WWV/WWVH Closure

2018-08-20 Thread John Harper

I'm wearing an "atomic watch" as we speak and have two such clocks as well.
A few years ago I had a 4:3 Sony Trinitron tv. It was obsoleted by newer
better technology and I now have a 16:9 ratio TV just like you do. The
clock/watch argument in the age of GPS, network and cellular time sync is a
valid argument only to geeks, of which I am one, thanks (in part) to my
Casio watch.

On Mon, Aug 20, 2018, 10:49 AM Ken G Kopp  wrote:

> John, you're simply incorrect.  Our house has a number of WWVB synched
> clocks, as do many, many thousands of others.
>
> On Mon, Aug 20, 2018, 09:41 John Harper  wrote:
>
>> Yes.
>> https://www.qrp-labs.com/clockn.html
>>
>> https://www.runnersworld.com/gear/a20827055/advanced-gps-watches-for-runners/
>>
>> and more.
>>
>> Watches and clocks as "justification" for continued WWV broadcasts is
>> laughable.
>>
>> John AE5X
>> https://ae5x.blogspot.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 10:36 AM Dr. William J. Schmidt <
>> b...@wjschmidt.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Well let's start with all of those self-setting watches and wall
>> clocks...
>> > and then the propagation information that is broadcast.  Does GPS do
>> that?
>> >
>> >
>> > Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ
>> PJ2/K9HZ
>> >
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>> > Big Signal Ranch – K9ZC
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>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
>> > [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of John Harper
>> > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 10:33 AM
>> > To: Elecraft list 
>> > Subject: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure
>> >
>> > What is the justification for continued funding of WWV? Hasn't it been
>> > obsoleted (if that's a verb) by GPS as far as being a time and freq
>> > standard?
>> >
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[Elecraft] OT: WWV/WWVH Closure

2018-08-20 Thread Ken G Kopp

John, you're simply incorrect.  Our house has a number of WWVB synched
clocks, as do many, many thousands of others.

On Mon, Aug 20, 2018, 09:41 John Harper  wrote:

> Yes.
> https://www.qrp-labs.com/clockn.html
>
> https://www.runnersworld.com/gear/a20827055/advanced-gps-watches-for-runners/
>
> and more.
>
> Watches and clocks as "justification" for continued WWV broadcasts is
> laughable.
>
> John AE5X
> https://ae5x.blogspot.com
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 10:36 AM Dr. William J. Schmidt <
> b...@wjschmidt.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Well let's start with all of those self-setting watches and wall
> clocks...
> > and then the propagation information that is broadcast.  Does GPS do
> that?
> >
> >
> > Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ
> PJ2/K9HZ
> >
> > Owner - Operator
> > Big Signal Ranch – K9ZC
> > Staunton, Illinois
> >
> > Owner – Operator
> > Villa Grand Piton – J68HZ
> > Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.
> > Rent it: www.VillaGrandPiton.com
> > Like us on Facebook!
> >
> > Moderator – North American QRO Group at Groups.IO.
> >
> > email:  b...@wjschmidt.com
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
> > [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of John Harper
> > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 10:33 AM
> > To: Elecraft list 
> > Subject: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure
> >
> > What is the justification for continued funding of WWV? Hasn't it been
> > obsoleted (if that's a verb) by GPS as far as being a time and freq
> > standard?
> >
> > John AE5X
> > https://ae5x.blogspot.com
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