Re: [Elecraft] re: ARRL K3 review for Apr QST posted [TX IMD]

2008-02-29 Thread David Wilburn

Thanks for the explanation Wayne.


Dave Wilburn
K4DGW
K2/100 - S/N 5982


wayne burdick wrote:

AB2TC - Knut wrote:

Receiver results as expected, great. Disappointed with the transmitter 
IM,

even at reduced power.


A couple of comments on this, Knut.

The league measured around -30 dBc worst-case when using the K3's highly 
accurate internal 2-tone generator (as did we). 12-V class radios are 
rarely better than -30 dBc on their worst-case band, and some are in the 
-23 dBc range, based on a survey of QST reviews from the past 5 years 
(more on this below).


QST's published -27 dBc figure was measured with an external 2-tone 
generator via audio injection (this is the ARRL's reference method). 
This was disappointing for us, since we were expecting -30 dBc. The fact 
that they did see -30 with our internal 2-tone generator suggests that 
the SSB setup procedure in the K3 manual, and/or our SSB ALC algorithm, 
could be improved. We're looking into this already. Any improvement we 
make in firmware (or hardware, for that matter) will immediately be made 
available to all K3 owners.


Transceivers that are very heavy (including some that probably have 
their own zip code) can incorporate a large internal or external power 
supply that provides greater than 12 V (typically 24 to 50 V) for 
improved PA-stage overhead. Some can even be operated class A, which I 
applaud. But neither greater weight nor class A operation near 100 W is 
possible in the K3's form-factor. At just over 8 pounds, it's portable. 
This *was* a design goal  :)


QST always publishes the worst-case per-band IMD number, in our case on 
12 meters. On most bands, IMD is much better than this by any 
measurement method, exceeding -40 dBc in some cases. The worst-case IMD 
is also much better if you're running less than 100 W. So, anyone 
driving an amplifier that requires less than 100 W to reach full power 
will see even better numbers.




My question to Elecraft is: If this had been a
factory assembled unit, would it have passed QC at Elecraft?


There is no difference in measurement method or performance between kit 
and assembled. The 10-W and 100-W modules are all pre-tested before they 
go into either the radio or the parts kit. The RF boards are also 100% 
pre-tested, and any problem with IMD would show up immediately. But IMD 
is generally a non-issue for the RF board, which at the 0-dBm transmit 
drive point shows worst-case 3rd-order IMD of -45 to -55 dBc.


I'm sure this unit passed our QC tests, given that the League found -30 
dBc worst-case with the internal 2-tone generator.


73,
Wayne
N6KR


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[Elecraft] re: ARRL K3 review for Apr QST posted [TX IMD]

2008-02-28 Thread wayne burdick

AB2TC - Knut wrote:

Receiver results as expected, great. Disappointed with the transmitter 
IM,

even at reduced power.


A couple of comments on this, Knut.

The league measured around -30 dBc worst-case when using the K3's 
highly accurate internal 2-tone generator (as did we). 12-V class 
radios are rarely better than -30 dBc on their worst-case band, and 
some are in the -23 dBc range, based on a survey of QST reviews from 
the past 5 years (more on this below).


QST's published -27 dBc figure was measured with an external 2-tone 
generator via audio injection (this is the ARRL's reference method). 
This was disappointing for us, since we were expecting -30 dBc. The 
fact that they did see -30 with our internal 2-tone generator suggests 
that the SSB setup procedure in the K3 manual, and/or our SSB ALC 
algorithm, could be improved. We're looking into this already. Any 
improvement we make in firmware (or hardware, for that matter) will 
immediately be made available to all K3 owners.


Transceivers that are very heavy (including some that probably have 
their own zip code) can incorporate a large internal or external power 
supply that provides greater than 12 V (typically 24 to 50 V) for 
improved PA-stage overhead. Some can even be operated class A, which I 
applaud. But neither greater weight nor class A operation near 100 W is 
possible in the K3's form-factor. At just over 8 pounds, it's portable. 
This *was* a design goal  :)


QST always publishes the worst-case per-band IMD number, in our case on 
12 meters. On most bands, IMD is much better than this by any 
measurement method, exceeding -40 dBc in some cases. The worst-case IMD 
is also much better if you're running less than 100 W. So, anyone 
driving an amplifier that requires less than 100 W to reach full power 
will see even better numbers.




My question to Elecraft is: If this had been a
factory assembled unit, would it have passed QC at Elecraft?


There is no difference in measurement method or performance between kit 
and assembled. The 10-W and 100-W modules are all pre-tested before 
they go into either the radio or the parts kit. The RF boards are also 
100% pre-tested, and any problem with IMD would show up immediately. 
But IMD is generally a non-issue for the RF board, which at the 0-dBm 
transmit drive point shows worst-case 3rd-order IMD of -45 to -55 dBc.


I'm sure this unit passed our QC tests, given that the League found -30 
dBc worst-case with the internal 2-tone generator.


73,
Wayne
N6KR


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