Re: [Elecraft] AC Power for the Station [THREAD CLOSED]

2018-06-15 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
Folks, this thread was closed -yesterday-.  Way OT and well above a reasonable posting number limit. Eric /elecraft.com/ On 6/15/2018 9:01 AM, Rick WA6NHC wrote: Codes are a only sets of standards that must be adopted (at the county level usually) to have the force of law.  The codes are

Re: [Elecraft] AC Power for the Station

2018-06-15 Thread Rick WA6NHC
Codes are a only sets of standards that must be adopted (at the county level usually) to have the force of law.  The codes are written by 'professionals' (sometimes cronyism sneaks in) who have spent a long time in the trades and have moved up (i.e. the NFPA is mostly retired fire chiefs).

Re: [Elecraft] AC Power for the Station

2018-06-15 Thread hawley, charles j jr
Old standard way of doing it. They used to use a solder pot and immerse the twisted wires in the hot solder. Then cover with rubbery tape and then friction tape. Chuck Jack KE9UW Sent from my iPhone, cjack > On Jun 15, 2018, at 1:39 AM, Michael Eberle wrote: > > I just bought the house

Re: [Elecraft] AC Power for the Station

2018-06-15 Thread Michael Eberle
I just bought the house I'm living in last year.  While changing out some of the receptacles and switches I discovered that they did not use wire nuts for wire connections in the wall boxes. They had attempted to solder the wires and wrapped them in tape. Most, if not all of them were cold

Re: [Elecraft] AC Power for the Station

2018-06-14 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
With that, lets end the thread. 73 Eric /Moderator etc. elecraft.com/ On 6/14/2018 11:30 AM, Rose wrote: Well said, Rick! 73! Ken - K0PP On Thu, Jun 14, 2018, 12:09 Rick WA6NHC wrote: As a retired career firefighter (line Captain), I say: A POX on the push in connections.

Re: [Elecraft] AC Power for the Station

2018-06-14 Thread Ralph Parker
>those "backstab" receptacles that electricians love to use because they are quick and easy do not have adequate contact stength and can overheat and cause voltage drops and a fire hazard. Here's a weird one: Two years ago, I bought a house that had been built in 1980, by the folks that I

Re: [Elecraft] AC Power for the Station

2018-06-14 Thread David Gilbert
Totally agree, Don.  The receptacles you refer to are extremely secure ... even better than the ones where you have to wrap the wire around the screw because if you aren't careful the wire can squeeze out from under the screw (don't ask me how I know that).  The ones you mention also have

Re: [Elecraft] AC Power for the Station

2018-06-14 Thread Don Wilhelm
Bob and all, Yes, those "backstab" receptacles that electricians love to use because they are quick and easy do not have adequate contact stength and can overheat and cause voltage drops and a fire hazard. If I were to discover them in any house I occupied, I would pull the wires out of the

Re: [Elecraft] AC Power for the Station

2018-06-14 Thread Rose
Well said, Rick! 73! Ken - K0PP On Thu, Jun 14, 2018, 12:09 Rick WA6NHC wrote: > As a retired career firefighter (line Captain), I say: > > A POX on the push in connections. One should NEVER use them, they are > bound to fail sooner due to the mechanics involved (each un/plug flexes > the

Re: [Elecraft] AC Power for the Station

2018-06-14 Thread Rick WA6NHC
As a retired career firefighter (line Captain), I say: A POX on the push in connections.  One should NEVER use them, they are bound to fail sooner due to the mechanics involved (each un/plug flexes the internals and the binding spring and eventually fails) and they WILL cause issues (such as

Re: [Elecraft] AC Power for the Station

2018-06-14 Thread Jim Brown
On 6/14/2018 8:47 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: Many of the newer receptacles have a similar hole, but the screw is actually connected to an internal clamp. These are very nearly as easy to use as the old push-in receptacles, but far more secure since you're actually tightening the screw

Re: [Elecraft] AC Power for the Station

2018-06-14 Thread Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT
It depends on the inspector. You're correct about code and safety. Bigger wire has less loss and will stay cooler. Inspectors may look at a job, see a 15 amp breaker and yellow NM, and insist on the "correct size" breakers, and the "correct" 15/20A outlets. Sadly, code is often what the

Re: [Elecraft] AC Power for the Station

2018-06-14 Thread Phil Kane
On 6/14/2018 6:07 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > For the ham station, I ran a dedicated 240 volt circuit with #10 wire > but used a 20A breaker in the panel.   Likewise a dedicated 120 volt > circuit, #10 wire and a 20A breaker. You can always /undersize/ the breaker - the code specifies

Re: [Elecraft] AC Power for the Station

2018-06-14 Thread Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT
Many of the newer receptacles have a similar hole, but the screw is actually connected to an internal clamp. These are very nearly as easy to use as the old push-in receptacles, but far more secure since you're actually tightening the screw on the side to secure the clamp. 73 -- Lynn On

Re: [Elecraft] AC Power for the Station

2018-06-14 Thread Michael Gillen via Elecraft
Hey guys thank you for the responses however I did not intend for this to get derailed into a discussion about home wiring. Michael KK6RWK > On Jun 14, 2018, at 6:12 AM, hawley, charles j jr > wrote: > > I always get the 20A outlets and switches (if needed for a motor driving > circuit)

Re: [Elecraft] AC Power for the Station

2018-06-14 Thread hawley, charles j jr
I always get the 20A outlets and switches (if needed for a motor driving circuit) for everything. I have been using the strip, push in, and tighten the screw to clamp down on the wire type. They seem very good as to contact. Chuck KE9UW From: