Re: [Elecraft] DX World Transceiver survey

2018-08-16 Thread Gary Smith 
Elecraft is now at 32%. I voted but non 
scientific studies are mostly for fun and 
not a representative answer with validity.

73,

Gary
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Re: [Elecraft] DX World Transceiver Survey

2018-08-16 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft 
Thread closed. Folks, this is drifting way OT.

Eric
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> On Aug 15, 2018, at 4:24 PM, Dauer, Edward  wrote:
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> It may be proof that foreign agents can hack and manipulate any American 
> voting process.
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> Should DOJ be brought in?
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>Message: 19
>Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 13:53:36 -0400
>From: "Peter W2IRT" 
>To: "'Elecraft Reflector'" 
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] DX World Transceiver survey
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>The very nature of this survey is heavily skewed. DX World is not a 
> website than Barry Baofeng, Nathan Netminder or Hammy Hambone are ever going 
> to visit.
> 
> - pjd
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Re: [Elecraft] DX World Transceiver survey

2018-08-15 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft 
Folks - Lets end this thread now as its a bit OT and is way past the OT posting 
number limit.


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Re: [Elecraft] DX World Transceiver survey

2018-08-15 Thread kstover 
It doesn't really mean anything. Nobody has ever heard of the website before
today and they've got to be giggling about the surge it website hits.

Now if this had been done on a high traffic site like QRZ.com and none of
the manufacturers in the survey were "major" contributors to the website I
might pay attention. I'll be willing to bet a huge can of worms that if
Elecraft hangs on for the win the survey will be buried in the bowels of the
internet never to see the light of day. If Icom pulls off a "miraculous"
comeback the survey will be much ballyhooed and quoted as gospel. Maybe
making the hallowed pages of QST. 

Call me syndical.

R. Kevin StoverAC0H

ARRL, FISTS, SKCC, NAQCC.
"If it doesn't work the first time you push the button it won't work the
20th.Just stop."

-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 4:02 PM
To: 'Ian Kahn, KM4IK' ; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] DX World Transceiver survey

Dear OMs,
It is a bit like surveys the BBC occasionally runs.   If there is an
Irish element to it then the whole of Ireland gangs up and skews it to
praise an Irishman, song, poem or what have you.

   73 Doug EI2CN

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Sent: 15 August 2018 20:48
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] DX World Transceiver survey

Elecraft is now in first place, by about 70 votes over Icom! Great job
Elecrafters!

73 de,

Ian, KM4IK
K3 #281, P3 #681


On 08/15/2018 11:49 AM, Peter Pauly wrote:
> Elecraft is currently in 4th place.  You know what to do...
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Re: [Elecraft] DX World Transceiver survey

2018-08-15 Thread Charlie T 
Total waste of time...on about the same level as American Idol phone vote 
tabulations.

73, Charlie k3ICH




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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] DX World Transceiver survey

Surveys that collect information from the users of the service or product don’t 
usually publish volume or number of units sold.  They will publish information 
on numbers of persons surveyed or break down numbers per product type.

It is a totally different type of “survey” that reports on product comparisons 
including units sold and so forth.  That kind of survey is what you would 
expect from a Consumer Reports product review, not a survey of users.

Usually, a survey that requests you to pick from a selection of products is no 
different then a high school popularity contest.  And, most surveys are like 
this.  Including those political polling surveys.

But, there are serious surveys too.  I once did a survey for Consumer Reports 
on a new car purchase.  It took me 30 minutes to finish.  I think it had on the 
order of 100+ questions.  It was years ago and not even an on-line survey.  I 
can’t remember how many pages were involved but it was enough to result in an 
extra heavy return envelope though postage was prepared.  I had to mark a whole 
lot of little check boxes and so on with a black pen.

73, phil, K7PEH

> On Aug 15, 2018, at 9:11 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX  wrote:
> 
> And it does not consider the volume or number of units sold either.Rather 
> poor constructed survey, in my opinion.  More like a high school popularity 
> contest.
> 
> 73
> 
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> 
> On 8/15/2018 11:07 AM, Peter W2IRT wrote:
>> Up to 2nd place now, but not a good representative sample. 100 votes 
>> for Icom,
>> 82 for Elecraft, 69 for Yaesu, 53 for Kenwood as of the time of this writing.
>> 
>>  - pjd
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
>> [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net]
>> On Behalf Of Peter Pauly
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 11:49 AM
>> To: Elecraft Reflector
>> Subject: [Elecraft] DX World Transceiver survey
>> 
>> Elecraft is currently in 4th place.  You know what to do...
>> 
>> https://dx-world.net/worldwide-transceiver-survey/
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Re: [Elecraft] DX World Transceiver survey

2018-08-15 Thread Doug Turnbull 
Dear OMs,
It is a bit like surveys the BBC occasionally runs.   If there is an
Irish element to it then the whole of Ireland gangs up and skews it to
praise an Irishman, song, poem or what have you.

   73 Doug EI2CN

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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ian Kahn, KM4IK
Sent: 15 August 2018 20:48
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] DX World Transceiver survey

Elecraft is now in first place, by about 70 votes over Icom! Great job 
Elecrafters!

73 de,

Ian, KM4IK
K3 #281, P3 #681


On 08/15/2018 11:49 AM, Peter Pauly wrote:
> Elecraft is currently in 4th place.  You know what to do...
>
> https://dx-world.net/worldwide-transceiver-survey/
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Re: [Elecraft] DX World Transceiver survey

2018-08-15 Thread Ian Kahn, KM4IK 
Elecraft is now in first place, by about 70 votes over Icom! Great job 
Elecrafters!


73 de,

Ian, KM4IK
K3 #281, P3 #681


On 08/15/2018 11:49 AM, Peter Pauly wrote:

Elecraft is currently in 4th place.  You know what to do...

https://dx-world.net/worldwide-transceiver-survey/
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Re: [Elecraft] DX World Transceiver survey

2018-08-15 Thread Peter W2IRT 
The very nature of this survey is heavily skewed. DX World is not a website 
than Barry Baofeng, Nathan Netminder or Hammy Hambone are ever going to visit.

 - pjd


-Original Message-
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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil Hystad via Elecraft
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 1:09 PM
To: Bob McGraw K4TAX
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] DX World Transceiver survey

Surveys that collect information from the users of the service or product don’t 
usually publish volume or number of units sold.  They will publish information 
on numbers of persons surveyed or break down numbers per product type.

It is a totally different type of “survey” that reports on product comparisons 
including units sold and so forth.  That kind of survey is what you would 
expect from a Consumer Reports product review, not a survey of users.

Usually, a survey that requests you to pick from a selection of products is no 
different then a high school popularity contest.  And, most surveys are like 
this.  Including those political polling surveys.

But, there are serious surveys too.  I once did a survey for Consumer Reports 
on a new car purchase.  It took me 30 minutes to finish.  I think it had on the 
order of 100+ questions.  It was years ago and not even an on-line survey.  I 
can’t remember how many pages were involved but it was enough to result in an 
extra heavy return envelope though postage was prepared.  I had to mark a whole 
lot of little check boxes and so on with a black pen.

73, phil, K7PEH

> On Aug 15, 2018, at 9:11 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX  wrote:
> 
> And it does not consider the volume or number of units sold either.Rather 
> poor constructed survey, in my opinion.  More like a high school popularity 
> contest.
> 
> 73
> 
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> 
> On 8/15/2018 11:07 AM, Peter W2IRT wrote:
>> Up to 2nd place now, but not a good representative sample. 100 votes for 
>> Icom,
>> 82 for Elecraft, 69 for Yaesu, 53 for Kenwood as of the time of this writing.
>> 
>>  - pjd
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
>> [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net]
>> On Behalf Of Peter Pauly
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 11:49 AM
>> To: Elecraft Reflector
>> Subject: [Elecraft] DX World Transceiver survey
>> 
>> Elecraft is currently in 4th place.  You know what to do...
>> 
>> https://dx-world.net/worldwide-transceiver-survey/
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Re: [Elecraft] DX World Transceiver survey

2018-08-15 Thread Phil Hystad via Elecraft 
Surveys that collect information from the users of the service or product don’t 
usually publish volume or number of units sold.  They will publish information 
on numbers of persons surveyed or break down numbers per product type.

It is a totally different type of “survey” that reports on product comparisons 
including units sold and so forth.  That kind of survey is what you would 
expect from a Consumer Reports product review, not a survey of users.

Usually, a survey that requests you to pick from a selection of products is no 
different then a high school popularity contest.  And, most surveys are like 
this.  Including those political polling surveys.

But, there are serious surveys too.  I once did a survey for Consumer Reports 
on a new car purchase.  It took me 30 minutes to finish.  I think it had on the 
order of 100+ questions.  It was years ago and not even an on-line survey.  I 
can’t remember how many pages were involved but it was enough to result in an 
extra heavy return envelope though postage was prepared.  I had to mark a whole 
lot of little check boxes and so on with a black pen.

73, phil, K7PEH

> On Aug 15, 2018, at 9:11 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX  wrote:
> 
> And it does not consider the volume or number of units sold either.Rather 
> poor constructed survey, in my opinion.  More like a high school popularity 
> contest.
> 
> 73
> 
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> 
> On 8/15/2018 11:07 AM, Peter W2IRT wrote:
>> Up to 2nd place now, but not a good representative sample. 100 votes for 
>> Icom,
>> 82 for Elecraft, 69 for Yaesu, 53 for Kenwood as of the time of this writing.
>> 
>>  - pjd
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
>> [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net]
>> On Behalf Of Peter Pauly
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 11:49 AM
>> To: Elecraft Reflector
>> Subject: [Elecraft] DX World Transceiver survey
>> 
>> Elecraft is currently in 4th place.  You know what to do...
>> 
>> https://dx-world.net/worldwide-transceiver-survey/
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Re: [Elecraft] DX World Transceiver survey

2018-08-15 Thread Bill Gerth 
Elecraft now in 1st place as of 1707 UTC.

73,
BILL
W4RK

> On Aug 15, 2018, at 12:01 PM, Ron Genovesi  wrote:
> 
> Friends don’t let friends use Baofeng!
> 
> Ron Genovesi
>   N3ETA
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 15, 2018, at 9:19 AM, Dennis Moore > > wrote:
>> 
>> Correct. I answered Elecraft because they're the only radio I've known since 
>> I got my license. Somebody might answer Baofeng for the same reason.
>> 
>> 73, Dennis NJ6G
>> 
>> 
>>> On 8/15/2018 09:11, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>>> And it does not consider the volume or number of units sold either. Rather 
>>> poor constructed survey, in my opinion.  More like a high school popularity 
>>> contest.
>>> 
>>> 73
>>> 
>>> Bob, K4TAX 
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Re: [Elecraft] DX World Transceiver survey

2018-08-15 Thread Ron Genovesi 
Friends don’t let friends use Baofeng!

 Ron Genovesi
   N3ETA
Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 15, 2018, at 9:19 AM, Dennis Moore  wrote:
> 
> Correct. I answered Elecraft because they're the only radio I've known since 
> I got my license. Somebody might answer Baofeng for the same reason.
> 
> 73, Dennis NJ6G
> 
> 
>> On 8/15/2018 09:11, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>> And it does not consider the volume or number of units sold either. Rather 
>> poor constructed survey, in my opinion.  More like a high school popularity 
>> contest.
>> 
>> 73
>> 
>> Bob, K4TAX 
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Re: [Elecraft] DX World Transceiver survey

2018-08-15 Thread Mike Rioux 
Icom’s first place may reflect their position as a “primary “ sponsor of dx 
world
Mike W1USN

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> On Aug 15, 2018, at 11:49 AM, Peter Pauly  wrote:
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> Elecraft is currently in 4th place.  You know what to do...
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Re: [Elecraft] DX World Transceiver survey

2018-08-15 Thread Dennis Moore 
Correct. I answered Elecraft because they're the only radio I've known 
since I got my license. Somebody might answer Baofeng for the same reason.


73, Dennis NJ6G


On 8/15/2018 09:11, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
And it does not consider the volume or number of units sold either. 
Rather poor constructed survey, in my opinion.  More like a high 
school popularity contest.


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Re: [Elecraft] DX World Transceiver survey

2018-08-15 Thread Bob McGraw K4TAX 
And it does not consider the volume or number of units sold either.    
Rather poor constructed survey, in my opinion.  More like a high school 
popularity contest.


73

Bob, K4TAX


On 8/15/2018 11:07 AM, Peter W2IRT wrote:

Up to 2nd place now, but not a good representative sample. 100 votes for Icom,
82 for Elecraft, 69 for Yaesu, 53 for Kenwood as of the time of this writing.

  - pjd

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Elecraft is currently in 4th place.  You know what to do...

https://dx-world.net/worldwide-transceiver-survey/
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Re: [Elecraft] DX World Transceiver survey

2018-08-15 Thread Peter W2IRT 
Up to 2nd place now, but not a good representative sample. 100 votes for Icom,
82 for Elecraft, 69 for Yaesu, 53 for Kenwood as of the time of this writing. 

 - pjd

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Elecraft is currently in 4th place.  You know what to do...

https://dx-world.net/worldwide-transceiver-survey/
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