Re: [Election-Methods] Borda-elimination, a Condorcet method for public elections?

2007-12-22 Thread James Gilmour
On Dec 22, 2007, at 6:45 AM, James Gilmour wrote: If you wish to utilise in some way all the information that could be recorded on a preferential ballot, that is a completely different voting system from IRV, with different objectives. The preferences are no longer 'contingency

[Election-Methods] RE : Re: Borda-elimination, a Condorcet method for public elections?

2007-12-22 Thread Kevin Venzke
Jonathan, --- Jonathan Lundell [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : On Dec 22, 2007, at 6:45 AM, James Gilmour wrote: If you wish to utilise in some way all the information that could be recorded on a preferential ballot, that is a completely different voting system from IRV, with different

Re: [Election-Methods] RE : Re: Borda-elimination, a Condorcet method for public elections?

2007-12-22 Thread Jonathan Lundell
On Dec 22, 2007, at 11:55 AM, Kevin Venzke wrote: Jonathan, --- Jonathan Lundell [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : On Dec 22, 2007, at 6:45 AM, James Gilmour wrote: If you wish to utilise in some way all the information that could be recorded on a preferential ballot, that is a completely

Re: [Election-Methods] Borda-elimination, a Condorcet method for public elections?

2007-12-22 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 19:09:49 - James Gilmour wrote: Dave Ketchum Sent: 22 December 2007 18:01 Conceded that some could like IRV, even after understanding what it does. It wasn't my intent to make any point for or against IRV, but it interesting another thread is discussing the

[Election-Methods] RE : Re: RE : Re: Borda-elimination, a Condorcet method for public elections?

2007-12-22 Thread Kevin Venzke
Jonathan, --- Jonathan Lundell [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : It's easy to produce a counterexample for a multiple-seat STV election. Here the voter must deal with two different contingencies: my first choice might be eliminated, or my first choice might be elected with a surplus. My

Re: [Election-Methods] Borda-elimination, a Condorcet method for public elections?

2007-12-22 Thread James Gilmour
Dave Ketchum Sent: 22 December 2007 21:52 Out of all this I see very little possible use for differences: That is the problem. So you will continue to describe the different ballots and voting systems incorrectly. James Gilmour No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free

Re: [Election-Methods] Borda-elimination, a Condorcet method for public elections?

2007-12-22 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:03:03 - James Gilmour wrote: Dave Ketchum Sent: 22 December 2007 21:52 Out of all this I see very little possible use for differences: That is the problem. So you will continue to describe the different ballots and voting systems incorrectly. Topic of the

[Election-Methods] Release: How Easy is it to Audit Elections with 95% Confidence-level?

2007-12-22 Thread Kathy Dopp
RELEASE: http://electionarchive.org/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=148Itemid=41 HOW EASY IS IT TO AUDIT ELECTIONS WITH 95% CONFIDENCE-LEVEL? The National Election Data Archive Park City, UT December 22, 2007 A new analysis using Utah's 2004 General Election results, finds that

Re: [Election-Methods] Simple two candidate election

2007-12-22 Thread rob brown
Just a quick followup to Abd, since I think my message may have gotten lost in a long post of interspersed replies. I still want to ask a very, very simple question, and I don't think you answered it. But this time I will go to some extra effort to make sure it is interpreted for the simple

[Election-Methods] Fwd: FYI - FairVote MN Responds to Lawsuit Against IRV

2007-12-22 Thread Kathy Dopp
- What do you think of this lawsuit? Kathy -- Forwarded message -- From: Raging Grannie (Wanda B) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Dec 22, 2007 8:19 PM Subject: FYI - FairVote MN Responds to Lawsuit Against IRV go to http://fairvotemn.orgFairVoteMN.org if you have trouble viewing this

Re: [Election-Methods] Simple two candidate election

2007-12-22 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:32 AM 12/22/2007, rob brown wrote: Your example is for more than two candidates. Well, it might seem that way. But there are really only two choices that make any sense. The third pizza type was in there simply to make the normalization scores make sense. If it's not there, there is a

Re: [Election-Methods] Simple two candidate election

2007-12-22 Thread rob brown
On Dec 22, 2007 8:04 PM, Jan Kok [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And then they'd probably stop by his house on the way home and burn it to the ground. :-) A good illustration of people having a strong preference, eh? :-) G - [Z] voters wouldn't care as much, and would tend to concentrate on