Re: [Election-Methods] A Better Version of IRV?

2008-07-08 Thread Chris Benham
Forest Simmons wrote (Sun Jul 6 16:36:32 PDT 2008 ): There is a lot of momentum behind IRV.  If we cannot stop it, are there some tweaks that would make it more liveable? Someone has suggested that a candidate withdrawal option would go a long way towards ameliorating the damage. Here's another

Re: [Election-Methods] Matrix voting and cloneproof MMP questions

2008-07-08 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
James Gilmour wrote: Kristofer Munsterhjelm Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 12:10 AM Second, I've been reading about the decoy list problem in mixed member proportionality. The strategy exists because the method can't do anything when a party doesn't have any list votes to compensate for

Re: [Election-Methods] Matrix voting and cloneproof MMP questions

2008-07-08 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
Rob LeGrand wrote: Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote: (On a related note, has anyone tried to use Range with LeGrand's Equilibrium Average instead of plain average?) I don't recommend using Equilibrium Average (which I usually call AAR DSV, for Average-Approval-Rating DSV) to elect winner(s) from

Re: [Election-Methods] A Better Version of IRV?

2008-07-08 Thread Terry Bouricius
Dear Kathy Dopp, Please stop referring to your report on IRV as peer-reviewed. That is an absolutely false statement. Peer-reviewed as used in the social sciences (and hard sciences too) typically means a blind review process where a journal editor sends a draft article to several reviewers

[Election-Methods] Dopp:17. Unstable and can be delicately sensitive to noise in the rankings.

2008-07-08 Thread Chris Benham
From Kathy Dopp's anti-IRV propaganda report:  17. Unstable and can be delicately sensitive to noise in the rankings. If an election is not resolved after 3 rounds of IRV then one is deep in the ranking for many people. This means noise in the rankings. Do people really study candidates they

Re: [Election-Methods] Matrix voting and cloneproof MMP questions

2008-07-08 Thread raphfrk
Kristofer said: That could be an interesting way to solve the indecisive parliament or frequent government change problem where these exist. In order to recall the executive, they have to vote for a new coalition at the same time. They have kinda that rule in Germany.? The only

Re: [Election-Methods] Matrix voting and cloneproof MMP questions

2008-07-08 Thread Juho
On Jul 8, 2008, at 15:24 , Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote: Even though I think multiwinner methods should be party-neutral, I can see the appeal of MMP: parties are guaranteed to get their share of the vote, even if the constituency vote is disproportional. use a proportional

Re: [Election-Methods] Dopp:17. Unstable and can be delicately sensitive to noise in the rankings.

2008-07-08 Thread Dave Ketchum
I care little for IRV, which deserves an early death, but think of needs of Condorcet, which also uses a ranked ballot. On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 08:28:24 -0700 (PDT) Chris Benham wrote: From Kathy Dopp's anti-IRV propaganda report: 17. Unstable and can be delicately sensitive to noise in the