Re: [EM] Why We Shouldn't Count Votes with Machines

2008-08-12 Thread rob brown
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 9:01 PM, Kathy Dopp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Message: 2 > > Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:17:49 -0700 > > From: "rob brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: [EM] Why We Shouldn't Count Votes with Machines > > The "two strikes you are out" rule is not inherent to machi

Re: [EM] Why We Shouldn't Count Votes with Machines

2008-08-12 Thread Dave Ketchum
Somehow we are not connecting, but I will try one more time. On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:34:56 -0600 Kathy Dopp wrote: "fundamental design is flawed"? If so, obvious response is to redo the design. Hi David, The only "design" that is *not* flawed (that I know of) is voter-marked paper ballots be

Re: [EM] Why We Shouldn't Count Votes with Machines

2008-08-12 Thread Kathy Dopp
here is no software independent method to audit their output. Again, I know of *no* PhD computer scientist who does not profit from VVV who supports e-ballot voting machines. Cheers, Kathy > > -rob > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >

Re: [EM] Why We Shouldn't Count Votes with Machines

2008-08-12 Thread Kathy Dopp
> "fundamental design is flawed"? If so, obvious response is to redo the > design. Hi David, The only "design" that is *not* flawed (that I know of) is voter-marked paper ballots because it provides voter-verifiED ballots. However the optical scanning machines that count them today are very fla

Re: [EM] Why We Shouldn't Count Votes with Machines

2008-08-12 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:47:05 -0600 Kathy Dopp wrote: Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 01:16:29 -0400 From: Dave Ketchum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [EM] Why We Shouldn't CountVotes with Machines Responses concentrate on fact that present DREs and paper ballots have problems, and do not conside

Re: [EM] Why We Shouldn't Count Votes with Machines

2008-08-12 Thread rob brown
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 4:47 PM, Kathy Dopp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As virtually all (all I know) independent computer scientists (who do > not profit from certifying or working for VVV's - vulture voting > vendors) agree, it is *not* possible to "fix" DREs because their > fundamental desi

Re: [EM] Why We Shouldn't Count Votes with Machines

2008-08-12 Thread Kathy Dopp
> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 01:16:29 -0400 > From: Dave Ketchum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [EM] Why We Shouldn't CountVotes with Machines > Responses concentrate on fact that present DREs and paper > ballots have problems, and do not consider fixing the DREs. As virtually all (all I kno