Re: [EM] language/framing quibble

2008-09-09 Thread Fred Gohlke
Good Morning, Raph Thank you for posting my letter. I suspect we are seeing the process differently. In my view, candidates can only stand for election in a single district and the only candidates the electorate will consider are those seeking election from their district: I'm Honest Joe,

Re: [EM] language/framing quibble

2008-09-09 Thread Fred Gohlke
Good Morning, Raph I think that description is close to a sound system. Something not too different may be proposed in a community in England later this year. I have a draft of the petition I can send you, if you'd like to see it. Fred Election-Methods mailing list - see

Re: [EM] language/framing quibble

2008-09-09 Thread Raph Frank
On 9/9/08, Michael Allan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I cannot take any of you seriously. Are you all suspending disbelief for the sake of the argument? I agree with your ideals, but there's an element of unreality in proposing to restructure a legislature by design. Like in Brian's

Re: [EM] language/framing quibble

2008-09-09 Thread Raph Frank
On 9/9/08, Fred Gohlke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suspect we are seeing the process differently. In my view, candidates can only stand for election in a single district and the only candidates the electorate will consider are those seeking election from their district: I'm Honest Joe, and

Re: [EM] language/framing quibble

2008-09-09 Thread Fred Gohlke
Whoops! It was your entire post of Mon Sep 8 03:44:51 PDT 2008 I didn't cite it because I was responding to the entire post, which follows: (clip) One option is to select the legislature at random. Stratified random sampling would yield a highly representative legislature. The population

Re: [EM] language/framing quibble

2008-09-09 Thread Terry Bouricius
Although it may be off-topic for a VOTING method list, I have long advocated a greater use of sortition (the selection by lot) to select legislators (perhaps one chamber of a bicameral legislature?) Having served ten years as a state legislator in Vermont, USA, I can assure you all that

Re: [EM] language/framing quibble

2008-09-09 Thread Raph Frank
On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 9:10 PM, Fred Gohlke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whoops! It was your entire post of Mon Sep 8 03:44:51 PDT 2008 I didn't cite it because I was responding to the entire post, which follows: Ahh, no problem. The issue is that I have made various suggestions in recent

Re: [EM] language/framing quibble

2008-09-09 Thread Raph Frank
On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 10:00 PM, Terry Bouricius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The experience and excellent work of the Citizen Assembly established by the provincial parliament in British Columbia a few years ago is compelling evidence that elections may not be the key to genuinely representative

[EM] sortition/random legislature Was: Re: language/framing quibble

2008-09-09 Thread Raph Frank
On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 11:23 PM, Aaron Armitage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I see a real philosophical problem with this. The whole point of having a republic is so that the people can make public decisions in common. Any chamber which is not subject to popular control is therefore