Re: [EM] Generalizing manipulability

2009-01-18 Thread Steve Eppley
Hi, Manipulability by voter strategy can be rigorously defined without problematic concepts like preferences or sincere votes or how a dictator would vote or or how a rational voter would vote given beliefs about others' votes. Let X denote the set of alternatives being voted on.

Re: [EM] IRV and Brown vs. Smallwood

2009-01-18 Thread Markus Schulze
Dear Terry Bouricius, you wrote (18 Jan 2009): Do you have any example of FairVote suggesting Condorcet methods might be unconstitutional? See appendices 3 and 4 of this study: http://www.lwvmn.org/LWVMNAlternativeVotingStudyReport.pdf Markus Schulze Election-Methods mailing list -

[EM] Schulze (Approval-Domination prioritised Margins)

2009-01-18 Thread Chris Benham
I have an idea for a new defeat-strength measure for the Schulze algorithm (and  similar such as Ranked Pairs and River), which I'll call: Approval-Domination prioritised Margins: *Voters rank from the top however many candidates they wish. Interpreting ranking (in any position, or alternatively

Re: [EM] The structuring of power and the composition of norms by communicative assent

2009-01-18 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
Michael Allan wrote: Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote: The general problem is that if there's a way of finding out what a certain person voted, or whether a certain person voted in a particular way, one can apply pressure to get that person to vote a desired way (to the one applying the

Re: [EM] Generalizing manipulability

2009-01-18 Thread Jonathan Lundell
On Jan 17, 2009, at 10:38 PM, Juho Laatu wrote: --- On Sun, 18/1/09, Jonathan Lundell jlund...@pobox.com wrote: On Jan 17, 2009, at 4:31 PM, Juho Laatu wrote: The mail contained quite good definitions. I didn't however agree with the referenced part below. I think sincere and

Re: [EM] Generalizing manipulability

2009-01-18 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
Jonathan Lundell wrote: On Jan 17, 2009, at 4:31 PM, Juho Laatu wrote: The mail contained quite good definitions. I didn't however agree with the referenced part below. I think sincere and zero-knowledge best strategic ballot need not be the same. For example in Range(0,99) my sincere ballot

Re: [EM] Condorcet - let's move ahead

2009-01-18 Thread Markus Schulze
Hallo, Steve Eppley wrote (18 Jan 2009): MAM satisfies all the desirable criteria satisfied by Beatpath Winner (aka Cloneproof Schwartz Sequential Dropping--CSSD for short--aka Schulze's method). Many people consider the Simpson-Kramer MinMax method to be the best single-winner election

Re: [EM] Condorcet - let's move ahead

2009-01-18 Thread Markus Schulze
Hallo, the links to Norman Petry's and Jobst Heitzig's mail have changed. Norman Petry's mail is now here: http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-electorama.com/2000-November/004541.html Jobst Heitzig's mail is now here:

Re: [EM] The structuring of power and the composition of norms by communicative assent

2009-01-18 Thread Juho Laatu
--- On Sun, 18/1/09, Michael Allan m...@zelea.com wrote: I believe the practice/principle of having secret votes also often implies interest in allowing people to vote as they privately think. Difference between public and private opinions is thus often seen to mean some sort of

Re: [EM] Generalizing manipulability

2009-01-18 Thread Juho Laatu
--- On Sun, 18/1/09, Jonathan Lundell jlund...@pobox.com wrote: On Jan 17, 2009, at 10:38 PM, Juho Laatu wrote: --- On Sun, 18/1/09, Jonathan Lundell jlund...@pobox.com wrote: On Jan 17, 2009, at 4:31 PM, Juho Laatu wrote: The mail contained quite good definitions. I didn't

Re: [EM] IRV and Brown vs. Smallwood

2009-01-18 Thread Terry Bouricius
Markus, The source you cite is a Minnesota League of Women Voters report that refers to an article with legal analysis in the Minnesota Bar Association's journal, dealing with the Minnesota statutes and Minnesota constitution. Municipal Voting System Reform: Overcoming the Legal Obstacles.

Re: [EM] IRV and Brown vs. Smallwood

2009-01-18 Thread Markus Schulze
Dear Terry Bouricius, you wrote (18 Jan 2009): FairVote is not responsible for reports by the League of Women Voters or lawyers writing scholarly articles. Tony Solgard was president of FairVote Minnesota when he wrote the quoted article in which he claims that Condorcet was unconstitutional