Re: [EM] language/framing quibble

2009-03-06 Thread Fred Gohlke
Good Morning, Juho re: [my comment] If we design a process that does not require campaigning, the evils of campaigning will be avoided. [you asked] How will you do that? The method outlined in my February 4, 2008 post, Selecting Leaders From The People does not require campaigning.

Re: [EM] Many candidates (Re: language/framing quibble)

2009-03-06 Thread Michael Allan
Juho Laatu wrote: (I limit the scope of discussion to single-winner elections, and exlude primaries and other party internal candidate selection and hierarchical proxy based methods.) . . . One approach is to use a candidate tree where the votes (to individual candidates) are summed

Re: [EM] Many candidates (Re: language/framing quibble)

2009-03-06 Thread Michael Allan
Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote: Juho Laatu wrote: One approach is to use a candidate tree... One could also have a series of runoffs... Instead of a parallel of runoffs, which is the tree. Fred's method could be used to select a single winner. Would you call it a hierarchical proxy? ...

Re: [EM] Time of trouble - Premise 2

2009-03-06 Thread Michael Allan
Juho Laatu wrote: Several cents might make a dollar. There are many small problems that together may make the system fall short of the planned ideal state. Or that together, might not. In arguing that DD is probable, we brought in many factors. But we also detailed how they interrelate, and

Re: [EM] language/framing quibble

2009-03-06 Thread Fred Gohlke
Good Afternoon, James re: The person 'they want' may well not want the job. That is not a flaw, it is a fact of political life. However, we have no right to assume people don't want the job. We must give everyone an opportunity to seek it. Those who do not want it will make the fact

Re: [EM] Many candidates (Re: language/framing quibble)

2009-03-06 Thread Juho Laatu
--- On Fri, 6/3/09, Kristofer Munsterhjelm km-el...@broadpark.no wrote: Juho Laatu wrote: Is the target here to have a method that would allow and encourage having multiple candidates? (to allow the people of Owego to select the winner themselves instead of others/parties telling

Re: [EM] language/framing quibble

2009-03-06 Thread Juho Laatu
--- On Fri, 6/3/09, Fred Gohlke fredgoh...@verizon.net wrote: Good Morning, Juho re: [my comment] If we design a process that does not require     campaigning, the evils of campaigning will be avoided.     [you asked] How will you do that? The method outlined in my February 4, 2008

Re: [EM] Time of trouble - Premise 2

2009-03-06 Thread Juho Laatu
--- On Fri, 6/3/09, Michael Allan m...@zelea.com wrote: Juho Laatu wrote: Several cents might make a dollar. There are many small problems that together may make the system fall short of the planned ideal state. Or that together, might not. In arguing that DD is probable, we