Re: [EM] Burlington 2009 -- analysis + responses to attacks by IRVpropagandists

2009-03-28 Thread Raph Frank
On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 12:52 AM, Warren Smith warren@gmail.com wrote: I know Abd and some other don't like to think that Bucklin led to a sharp reduction in second choice rankings, but it did. That seems reasonable. In Bucklin, anyone who you rank is effectively approved. In other ranked

Re: [EM] language/framing quibble

2009-03-28 Thread Fred Gohlke
Good Morning, Juho re: I'd encourage maintaining some separation of the political and business segments of the society. How would you go about accomplishing that? re: The triads and other low level approaches may do good job in at least waking up some potential leaders. It is

Re: [EM] Implementing Practical Democracy with Votorola

2009-03-28 Thread Fred Gohlke
Good Morning, Michael re: Trust is only for compiling the voter list. If a few neighbours extend their trust to you, they are vouching that your on-line registration is honest - that you're a real person, living at the specified street address. That's all. If a site

Re: [EM] language/framing quibble

2009-03-28 Thread Juho Laatu
--- On Sat, 28/3/09, Fred Gohlke fredgoh...@verizon.net wrote: Good Morning, Juho re: I'd encourage maintaining some separation of the political      and business segments of the society.. How would you go about accomplishing that? I think there are many options. One could start for

Re: [EM] Democracy

2009-03-28 Thread Don Cathy Hoffard
Thanks Kristofer for you thoughtful comments. Parties may still exist as groups of common interest The first amendment states that they are allow to exist but they are also allowed to PROMOTE their common interest. Allowing them to exist is not enough. They must (under the first amendment)

[EM] Clarke-Groves-Tideman-Tullock voting with money scheme

2009-03-28 Thread Michael Rouse
I was perusing the rangevoting.org site (hi, Warren! :) ) after the latest IRV argument, and I came across something I remembered vaguely but thought was quite interesting, namely the Clarke-Groves-Tideman-Tullock 'perfect' scheme for voting with money (link here:

Re: [EM] Clarke-Groves-Tideman-Tullock voting with money scheme

2009-03-28 Thread Raph Frank
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 2:34 AM, Michael Rouse mrou...@mrouse.com wrote: It seemed like an interesting idea, but the drawbacks mentioned included the possibility of non-payment and the problem of secrecy. The main problem is actually that the chances of you actually having to pay is extremely