Re: [EM] Anyone got a good analysis on limitations of approval andrange voting?

2009-11-17 Thread Jobst Heitzig
Dear folks, there is another assumption in Arrow's theorem which people almost always forget: Determinism. Methods which use some amount of chance can easily meet all his other criteria, the most trivial example of this being again Random Ballot (i.e. pick a ballot uniformly at random and copy

Re: [EM] What does proportional representation MEAN? And list of known PR methods (know any more?)

2009-11-17 Thread Raph Frank
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 5:02 PM, Warren Smith warren@gmail.com wrote: Kristofer Munsterhjelm asked me what proportional representation (PR) means. At this time it is probably unwise to make a too-precise definition since every PR voting method seems to obey a different proportionality

[EM] Is there a PR voting method obeying participation criterion?

2009-11-17 Thread Warren Smith
This seems to be an open question at present. But it might be pretty easy to prove or disprove. A multiwinner voting method obeys participation if an extra voter, by voting honestly, cannot make the election result worse (in her view) than if she had not voted. (If you remove a winner and

Re: [EM] What does proportional representation MEAN? And list of known PR methods (know any more?)

2009-11-17 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
Warren Smith wrote: Kristofer Munsterhjelm asked me what proportional representation (PR) means. At this time it is probably unwise to make a too-precise definition since every PR voting method seems to obey a different proportionality theorem. I say you should just assess each theorem on a

Re: [EM] strategy-free Condorcet method after all!

2009-11-17 Thread fsimmons
Here's a way to incorporate this idea for large groups: Ballots are ordinal with approval cutoffs. After the ballots are counted, list the candidates in order of approval. Use just enough randomly chosen ballots to determine the Lull winner with 90% confidence: let L(0) be the candidate with

Re: [EM] What does proportional representation MEAN? And list of known PR methods (know any more?)

2009-11-17 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:03 PM 11/17/2009, Raph Frank wrote: I am not sure referring to racism is a good plan :). The word racist was used. A more politically correct term would be factionally affiliated or factionally dedicated. Something like Any group representing more than N/M of the voters, where M is

Re: [EM] Is there a PR voting method obeying participation criterion?

2009-11-17 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:08 PM 11/17/2009, Warren Smith wrote: This seems to be an open question at present. But it might be pretty easy to prove or disprove. A multiwinner voting method obeys participation if an extra voter, by voting honestly, cannot make the election result worse (in her view) than if she had

Re: [EM] Is there a PR voting method obeying participation criterion?

2009-11-17 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: At 01:08 PM 11/17/2009, Warren Smith wrote: It is fair if symmetric under permuting the candidates and voters. Conjecture: there does not exist a fair multiwinner proportional representation voting method obeying participation. I don't know how to apply fair. Can