On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Juho wrote:
> Would it be possible to plant one's own candidates inside the competing
> parties and vote for them? Probably not in practice even if this was
> possible in theory.
>
> Ability to influence which candidates of the other parties will be elected
> chang
Would it be possible to plant one's own candidates inside the
competing parties and vote for them? Probably not in practice even if
this was possible in theory.
Ability to influence which candidates of the other parties will be
elected changes the nature of the system a bit in any case (=>
Raph Frank wrote:
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 4:01 PM, James Gilmour
wrote:
No, it's not at all like MMP. In MMP half or more of the members
are elected from single-member electoral districts (usually by
FPTP). The "additional members" in MMP are elected by party-list
(usually closed-list) takin
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 6:14 PM, James Gilmour wrote:
> No, it is not at all like MMP in that. ALL the votes are party votes. All
> the votes are used to allocate seats to parties and then
> the votes within parties are used to decide which candidates should fill the
> allocated seats. Import
Raph Frank > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 5:31 PM
> Sorry, I wasn't clear at all.
No, it certainly wasn't clear.
> I was thinking of the decoy
> list issue with MMP.
I don't think this is at all a helpful way of looking at the Swiss CN voting
system.
> What I meant was that it is like MM
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 4:01 PM, James Gilmour wrote:
> No, it's not at all like MMP. In MMP half or more of the members are elected
> from single-member electoral districts (usually by
> FPTP). The "additional members" in MMP are elected by party-list (usually
> closed-list) taking into accou
Raph Frank > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 11:01 PM
In relation to the Swiss Federal Parliament election system
> It is like a cumulative voting version of MMP, but there is
> no mechanism for a candidate to win without being a member of a party.
No, it's not at all like MMP. In MMP half or m
robert bristow-johnson wrote:
> It seems that what Fairvote want is PR-STV.
>
> The hope is presumably, that if they can get voters used to
> ranked ballots and eliminations with IRV, they can then argue
> that moving onto PR-STV is just changing to the multiseat
> version of IRV.
Surely a ma
Terry Bouricius wrote:
2. Why did FairVote first start advocating IRV instead of Condorcet?
FairVote's initial and still leading concern is the promotion of
proportional representation (the majority should elect the majority of
seats, but minorities should be fairly represented at the table).
Robert,
Responding to two of your points...
1. How would a statewide tally have been done under the IRV bill that
passed the Vermont legislature, and
2. How did FairVote come to advocate IRV.
1. Because the legislators did not want to buy new voting machines, the
decision was made to pass the
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 4:54 AM, robert bristow-johnson
wrote:
> is that why IRV
> (under whatever name) was first plugged for government elections in
> multiparty environments?
It seems that what Fairvote want is PR-STV.
The hope is presumably, that if they can get voters used to ranked
ballots
On Mar 24, 2010, at 4:42 AM, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote:
robert bristow-johnson wrote:
On Mar 23, 2010, at 9:01 AM, Terry Bouricius wrote:
[...]
Since the bill, as passed, actually
used a top-two contingent system (only the top two initial
candidates
would advance), the tally would be
robert bristow-johnson wrote:
On Mar 23, 2010, at 9:01 AM, Terry Bouricius wrote:
[...]
Since the bill, as passed, actually
used a top-two contingent system (only the top two initial candidates
would advance), the tally would be relatively easy.
so the regional venues would report 1st-choi
Brian Olson wrote:
Someone needs to tell Thomas Friedman that "Alternative Voting" (IRV)
isn't all it's claimed to be.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/24/opinion/24friedman.html
It appears that FairVote's strategy is working, for some value of
working at least. In so insistently giving the imp
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