[EM] Length of declaration and prospects for consensus

2011-09-08 Thread Michael Allan
Warren Smith wrote: It's very hard to get people to sign statements, and the difficulty increases with the length. My own experience points to a similar conclusion. I once formulated a laconic rule of thumb (ten words per signature/vote) and a process of consensus by erasure.

Re: [EM] Executive Summary for Declaration

2011-09-08 Thread Richard Fobes
On 9/7/2011 10:49 PM, Andy Jennings wrote: I do like the executive summary. Maybe it's a little too long? I think we could do without the sentence Some good Condorcet methods are:... I do think the PR section could be significantly shortened. I made a few changes. Feel free to review, roll

Re: [EM] Meaning of a vote (or lack thereof)

2011-09-08 Thread Toby Pereira
I think part of the problem then is that as far as I can see there is no clear and easily understandable description of Double range voting in existence.   Also, it's not intuitively obvious to everyone what the different scores should mean. Voting ABC in a ranked list is clear. I know there are

Re: [EM] Executive Summary for Declaration

2011-09-08 Thread Toby Pereira
I think the executive summary needs to mention that plurality = First Past the Post. The term plurality is basically never used in the UK and most people wouldn't know what it means, so to cover as many countries as we can, we need to use the terms that each country uses. From: Andy Jennings

Re: [EM] Meaning of a vote (or lack thereof)

2011-09-08 Thread Warren Smith
On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Toby Pereira tdp2...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: I think part of the problem then is that as far as I can see there is no clear and easily understandable description of Double range voting in existence. Let epsilon0 be a constant. RULES OF DOUBLE RANGE VOTING 1. Each

Re: [EM] Length of declaration and prospects for consensus

2011-09-08 Thread Fred Gohlke
Good Afternoon, Michael re: We could always try again. The initial focus should be less on building up a text and more on uncovering agreement over the content. You are, of course, correct. It's generally a good idea to put the horse in front of the cart. The way to compile a

Re: [EM] Executive Summary for Declaration

2011-09-08 Thread Peter Zbornik
Out of the three summaries of the declarations, I think Richard's is the most efficient. PZ On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 8:34 PM, Toby Pereira tdp2...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: I think the executive summary needs to mention that plurality = First Past the Post. The term plurality is basically never used

[EM] Multiple rounds of voting

2011-09-08 Thread Peter Zbornik
Dear all, I shortened the part on multiple rounds of voting after someone opted to remove the section entirely. To me multiple rounds is an important issue, as they might improve the election result and ease the transition to better election methods as explained in my previous mails (will resend

Re: [EM] Meaning of a vote (or lack thereof)

2011-09-08 Thread Toby Pereira
From: Warren Smith warren@gmail.com I wasn't denying that the honest sub-ballots had a meaning, but that the meaning of a score on a range ballot is probably less clear to mot people than the meaning of a score on a ranked ballot. This was my point, not that the range ballot lacked

Re: [EM] Executive Summary for Declaration

2011-09-08 Thread Andy Jennings
On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Richard Fobes electionmeth...@votefair.org wrote: Removing the names of the good Condorcet methods is not acceptable. (We can change the word good if that's the issue.) Already we dropped Condorcet-Tideman (ranked pairs) from the list because Tideman himself

[EM] My full signature

2011-09-08 Thread Stéphane Rouillon
Maybe great Condorcet methods could be acceptable... Removing the names of the good Condorcet methods is not acceptable. (We can change the word good if that's the issue.) Stéphane Rouillon, stephane.rouil...@sympatico.ca, Engineer in Physics, M.Sc.A. Mechanical Engineering, Ph.D. Applied