Re: [EM] STV vs Party-list PR, could context matter?

2012-02-18 Thread Richard Fobes
On 2/18/2012 1:49 PM, Kevin Venzke wrote: Hi Richard, *De :* Richard Fobes > I do favor having more than two parties, but I don't see how three (or more) strong parties can be accommodated until after Congress and state legislatures use voting methods that are compatible with more than two pa

Re: [EM] (Kevin Venzke) and Richard Fobes.

2012-02-18 Thread Richard Fobes
David Wetzell, your reply reveals that we view the U.S. political system very differently. Here is a link to a "map" of the U.S. political system as I see it: http://www.votefair.org/pencil_metaphor.html "If the Republican party and the Democratic party are at opposite ends of a pencil, m

Re: [EM] (Kevin Venzke) and Richard Fobes.

2012-02-18 Thread David L Wetzell
On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 3:49 PM, < election-methods-requ...@lists.electorama.com> wrote: > Send Election-Methods mailing list submissions to >election-methods@lists.electorama.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://lists.electorama.com/listinfo.cgi/ele

Re: [EM] STV vs Party-list PR, could context matter?

2012-02-18 Thread Kevin Venzke
Hi Richard, De : Richard Fobes À : election-meth...@electorama.com Envoyé le : Samedi 18 février 2012 14h47 Objet : Re: [EM] STV vs Party-list PR, could context matter? I do favor having more than two parties, but I don't see how three (or more) strong part

Re: [EM] (Kevin Venzke) and James Gilmour.

2012-02-18 Thread Kevin Venzke
Hi David, De : David L Wetzell À : election-methods@lists.electorama.com Envoyé le : Samedi 18 février 2012 14h10 Objet : Re: [EM] (Kevin Venzke) and James Gilmour. You are supposed to get the EM list to agree first, before writing Soros directly. If ther

Re: [EM] STV vs Party-list PR, could context matter?

2012-02-18 Thread Richard Fobes
On 2/17/2012 12:54 PM, David L Wetzell wrote: > From: Richard Fobes > As for STV, going beyond two seats easily produces unfair results. > And in the U.S. the results also would be quite unstable > (i.e. not mesh well with the current two-party system). > > Can you elaborate? > I

Re: [EM] STV vs Party-list PR, could context matter?

2012-02-18 Thread David L Wetzell
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 6:58 PM, James Gilmour wrote: > David L Wetzell > Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 7:31 PM > > > James Gilmour: But why would you want all these differences > > > and complications? > > > > dlw: Because context matters. > > I have great difficulty in believing that there ar

Re: [EM] (Kevin Venzke) and James Gilmour.

2012-02-18 Thread David L Wetzell
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[EM] Jameson: reply regarding SODA & favorite-burial

2012-02-18 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
Jameson: You said that the F-preferring voters could let G win by merely approving both F and G. But maybe only a subset of the F voters are willing to try to keep G from losing. Then, those few might need to vote for G and not for F, in order to keep F from beating G in the initial ballots-

Re: [EM] SODA arguments

2012-02-18 Thread Jameson Quinn
> It seems to me that there would be a lot more candidates under SODA. >> It's pretty hard to spoil the race and there is benefit to >> be had in receiving some votes. It seems parliamentary that way. How many >> supporters is too few to consider running? >> >> >> Well, there is the 5% cutoff, bel