Re: [EM] Sainte-Lague vs d'Hondt for party list PR

2012-07-02 Thread Juho Laatu
On 2.7.2012, at 8.16, Michael Ossipoff wrote: That's _big_ bias in favor of large parties, and against small parties. Maybe so, if you count the s/v values for D'Hondt. If you count the seats, the bias will be less than one seat per party. That's maybe not a _big_ bias. (Sainte-Laguë is

Re: [EM] Census re-districting instead of PR for allocating seats to districts.

2012-07-02 Thread Juho Laatu
On 2.7.2012, at 8.45, Michael Ossipoff wrote: You asked: , or would the candidate maybe indicate his favourite party separately? Sorry, I had a typo here. I should have written would the voter maybe indicate. No need to answer again since I think this was already covered below. But if

Re: [EM] Sainte-Lague vs d'Hondt for party list PR

2012-07-02 Thread Raph Frank
Another possibility is alternative-vote based PR. You rank up to 2 parties. Something like, Use divisors 2, 3, 5, 7, 9, ... This is Websters but is d'Hondt-like for the first seat. The seats would be allocated using that rule, and any party which got no seats would be eliminated and the votes

Re: [EM] Conceiving a Democratic Electoral Process

2012-07-02 Thread Fred Gohlke
Good Morning, Juho re: To me the question of sponsorship is therefore simply a question of how much the elections should be 'one man one vote' and how much 'one dollar one vote'. Since we are Conceiving a Democratic Electoral Process, our focus here is on one person, one vote. re:

Re: [EM] Conceiving a Democratic Electoral Process

2012-07-02 Thread Juho Laatu
On 2.7.2012, at 16.08, Fred Gohlke wrote: re: At least in theory we could have a political system that runs on goverment budget money only. That can't happen because the donation of private money to support political action has been deemed an expression of free speech. It is possible

Re: [EM] Sainte-Lague vs d'Hondt for party list PR

2012-07-02 Thread Juho Laatu
On 2.7.2012, at 13.58, Raph Frank wrote: Another possibility is alternative-vote based PR. You rank up to 2 parties. Something like, Use divisors 2, 3, 5, 7, 9, ... This is Websters but is d'Hondt-like for the first seat. The seats would be allocated using that rule, and any party

Re: [EM] Conceiving a Democratic Electoral Process (Primary Thoughts)

2012-07-02 Thread Fred Gohlke
Hi, Michael re: ... given the assumption of equality, the party leader is formally on a level with any party member. Each has a single vote at each step of the primary, including nomination. Absolutely! This leads to the obvious question of How?, but asking it may be

Re: [EM] Conceiving a Democratic Electoral Process (Primary Thoughts)

2012-07-02 Thread Michael Allan
Fred and Juho, Fred Gohlke said: re: ... given the assumption of equality, the party leader is formally on a level with any party member. Each has a single vote at each step of the primary, including nomination. Absolutely! This leads to the obvious question of How?,

[EM] Juho: Bias

2012-07-02 Thread Michael Ossipoff
Here is what I mean by bias. I claim that my meaning for bias is consistent with the usual understood meaning for bias:: For any two consecutive integers N and N+1, the interval between those two integers is Interval N If it is equally likely to find a party with its final quotient anywhere in

[EM] Methods with more nearly perfect unbias

2012-07-02 Thread Michael Ossipoff
Warren Smith and I have discussed methods with less bias than Sainte-Lague/Webster. We discussed in for apportionment of congressional seats to states, so I'll discuss in in those terms. Warren suggested Random-Rounding, in which, when a state's number of Hare quotas is rounded up with a

[EM] Ok, the expected population isn't a+p1/2

2012-07-02 Thread Michael Ossipoff
Because S doesn't vary linearly in that interval, a+1/2 isn't the expected population for a state somewhere in that interval. If I didn't have things that need to be done right now, I'd write that expected population correctly in this posting. As it is, though, I have things to do, and must log