Re: [EM] Can someone point me at an example of the nonmonotonicity of IRV?

2008-08-15 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
Chris Benham wrote: *Kristofer Munsterhjelm* wrote (Sun. Aug.10): There's also the it smells fishy that nonmonotonicity - of any kind or frequency - evokes. I think that's stronger for nonmonotonicity than for things like strategy vulnerability because it's an error that appears in the method

Re: [EM] Can someone point me at an example of the nonmonotonicity of IRV?

2008-08-13 Thread Chris Benham
Kristofer Munsterhjelm  wrote (Sun. Aug.10): There's also the it smells fishy that nonmonotonicity - of any kind or frequency - evokes. I think that's stronger for nonmonotonicity than for things like strategy vulnerability because it's an error that appears in the method itself, rather than

Re: [EM] Can someone point me at an example of the nonmonotonicity of IRV?

2008-08-10 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
Kathy Dopp wrote: From: rob brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [EM] Can someone point me at an example of the nonmonotonicity of IRV? Are you aware that in going to a doctor to treat an injury, you can get in a car accident and get injured some more? Why would anyone go to a doctor

Re: [EM] Can someone point me at an example of the nonmonotonicity of IRV?

2008-08-10 Thread Juho
On Aug 10, 2008, at 12:43 , Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote: There's also the it smells fishy that nonmonotonicity - of any kind or frequency - evokes. I think that's stronger for nonmonotonicity than for things like strategy vulnerability because it's an error that appears in the method

Re: [EM] Can someone point me at an example of the nonmonotonicity of IRV?

2008-08-10 Thread Chris Benham
Kathy Dopp wrote (Sat. Aug.10): Well perhaps there are other voting methods where ranking my first choice candidate below my last choice candidate helps my first choice candidate to win more than vice-versa, and I would oppose any method that did that. Kathy, What exactly do mean here by more

Re: [EM] Can someone point me at an example of the nonmonotonicity of IRV?

2008-08-10 Thread rob brown
On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 9:58 AM, Kathy Dopp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am currently not recommending *any* until I have more time and inclination to sit down to thoroughly study all the alternatives. I know that IRV is a really bad method as applied to real life elections, and I suspect that

Re: [EM] Can someone point me at an example of the nonmonotonicity of IRV?

2008-08-09 Thread Juho
All election methods have vulnerabilities. These monotonicity failures may look bad on paper but in real life elections they are typically not that harmful. If some IRV voter asks if he should vote sincerely or falsify his vote somehow due to the non-monotonic properties the general

Re: [EM] Can someone point me at an example of the nonmonotonicity of IRV?

2008-08-09 Thread Kathy Dopp
From: rob brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [EM] Can someone point me at an example of the nonmonotonicity of IRV? Are you aware that in going to a doctor to treat an injury, you can get in a car accident and get injured some more? Why would anyone go to a doctor if doing so can

Re: [EM] Can someone point me at an example of the nonmonotonicity of IRV?

2008-08-09 Thread Juho
On Aug 10, 2008, at 7:13 , Kathy Dopp wrote: All election methods have vulnerabilities. These monotonicity failures may look bad on paper but in real life elections they are typically not that harmful. If some IRV voter asks if he should vote sincerely or falsify his vote somehow due to the