Re: [EM] Conceiving a Democratic Electoral Process (Primary Thoughts)

2012-07-08 Thread Michael Allan
Hi Fred, It seems to me the point you're making (and, for goodness sake, correct me if I've bollixed it) is that, if we are to eliminate partisan control of government, we must first understand the source of party power. That would be wise, at least. For my part, I point to the absolute

Re: [EM] Conceiving a Democratic Electoral Process (Primary Thoughts)

2012-07-06 Thread Fred Gohlke
Good Morning, Michael I think I understand your point. Before I comment on it, I'd like to mention that the example of an assertive, strong-willed non-partisan was probably of minor importance. The point was that, in any single primary election, if such an individual participated in

Re: [EM] Conceiving a Democratic Electoral Process (Primary Thoughts)

2012-07-05 Thread Michael Allan
Juho and Fred, (a) a *primary* electoral system (b) one that sponsors candidates for *public* office (c) where voting is restricted to *private* members Specifically (c) is no longer possible. ... In such a world, what *other* form of political domination could take hold? ... I

Re: [EM] Conceiving a Democratic Electoral Process (Primary Thoughts)

2012-07-04 Thread Fred Gohlke
Good Afternoon, Michael re: Meanwhile the party is a fact, and it seems to rest (at least in definition) on a contrary assumption, that of *non*-universality. I wish therefore to begin by imagining away that assumption. What happens to the party when its primary decisions

Re: [EM] Conceiving a Democratic Electoral Process (Primary Thoughts)

2012-07-03 Thread Juho Laatu
On 3.7.2012, at 1.08, Michael Allan wrote: Fred Gohlke said to Juho: ... As I've said before, parties always seek the power to impose their views on those who don't share them. They don't always succeed, but when they do it's catastrophic. The threat of domination is always present in a

Re: [EM] Conceiving a Democratic Electoral Process (Primary Thoughts)

2012-07-02 Thread Fred Gohlke
Hi, Michael re: ... given the assumption of equality, the party leader is formally on a level with any party member. Each has a single vote at each step of the primary, including nomination. Absolutely! This leads to the obvious question of How?, but asking it may be

Re: [EM] Conceiving a Democratic Electoral Process (Primary Thoughts)

2012-07-02 Thread Michael Allan
Fred and Juho, Fred Gohlke said: re: ... given the assumption of equality, the party leader is formally on a level with any party member. Each has a single vote at each step of the primary, including nomination. Absolutely! This leads to the obvious question of How?,

[EM] Conceiving a Democratic Electoral Process (Primary Thoughts)

2012-06-30 Thread Michael Allan
Fred Gohlke said: The party leaders would choose candidates who could be relied upon to fulfill their obligation to the party for its support of their candidacy, but who would appeal to the broadest possible spectrum of voters. In other words, it would cause the party leaders to feign